CatmanV2
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Not only that but I want a decision on Marmite, do we love it or hate it? This, I can let go for two weeks....
I'm actually rather ambivalent about it
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Not only that but I want a decision on Marmite, do we love it or hate it? This, I can let go for two weeks....
I haven't stayed bang up to date on the intracies of all of this but I'm amazed at the inability of alleged intelligent people to 'negotiate' a deal. I don't see much compromise or negotiation going on.
If we weren't in the EU now at all and the EU were offering us the deal they are offering would we be chomping at the hit to join? No.
I understand the EU may feel that a precident could be set if they concede too much but I think the EU are not being objective at all. Our way or the highway. It is leaving us with little choice.
I think we all realise a full or hard Brexit with us leaving would be painful for all and should be avoided. However if it happens it happens and we shouldn't be afraid of it as an option and a likely outcome. We've dealt with worse situations before and will deal with worse again.
I still do find it bizarre that intelligent people can't negotiate a deal.
I suggest you read the Davis and Raab resignation letters from months and months ago that I posted earlier.
Total PM incompetence and backstabbing re agreed moves, a belief in something that suffered the biggest defeat in history.........but against all advice...even legal advice that outlined the dangers.
Yet, Our remainer pm pushed forward with a deal that was dead early last year.....against ALL advice.
Something stinks.
Why did she do this?
I'm not saying either side is at fault here but both sides. It is not just intelligence. It is sense, fair play, understanding, compromise....everything.You seriously think it’s a matter of intelligence? It doesn’t matter how intelligent you are if the other side won’t negotiate!
I though a winning vote meant u followed a certain course......leave won didn’t it?I did. I read them in the context of their motivation. People who want to leave don’t like it, people who want to stay don’t like it. It might be that it really is the only compromise available. And it’s a **** one!
how many of you guys still regularly get the morning stiffy?
I though a winning vote meant u followed a certain course......leave won didn’t it?
I though a winning vote meant u followed a certain course......leave won didn’t it?
......... set up for. Not the bureaucratic monster it grew into.You mean the trading relationship that the EU was originally...........
Leaving meant leave.I can accept that but I can't accept that a hard no deal exit is the best terms for leaving
No idea what that was but I guess a deal from history won't be so applicable today.
Maybe new trade deals would need to be designed from scratch for today onwards.
I've learnt over the years some and all of us are sometimes guilty of settling for what is in place now as it is easier. Easier than some pain and hard graft to get to a better place. I'm not saying this is what is happening here but it must account for some views along these lines.
Rome wasn't built in a day. A new Europe and new UK similarly won't take 5 mins.
I am sure there must be tons of people in remaining EU countries that aren't 100% in agreement with what the EU are doing or offering as it will be worse for them. However they will likely have little or no voice through this process as it is being dealt with at the moment.
All I know is that the uncertainty is an issue and to be quite frank I'm quite bored of it being the front of most conversations. Les s than quite frankly.....I'm bored of it.
doesn't look like my attempt of a thread drift is working, might have to resort to some bouncy titi videos again
Leaving meant leave.
There was nothing else on that ballot paper.....was there.
It wasn’t
Leaving if Europe agrees, or if those who disagree and LOSE allow it, even if they don’t like it.
Was it?
Think I’ll bow out of this now. Whatever happens I wish everyone, whatever happens, well. I hope the Uk remains dignified and respected, globally.