Brexit Deal

Navcorr

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zagatoes30 said:
...the ability of either side to negotiate to a mutually beneficial agreement seems impossible to achieve,
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The EU want to protect their internal market - fair enough. They want to avoid so called cherry picking - again, fair enough. They also want to discourage further renegotiations with either the UK or with any other member state. From their political perspective this is understandable. However, from the outset the EU also stated the UK must not "be allowed" to enjoy a competitive advantage. This is what the backstop is designed to achieve. Avoiding a hard border is a smoke screen. The backstop gives the EU not just the trump cards in trade negotiations it gives them every card. Lamberts said as much 18 months ago - he envisaged the UK leaving on such bad terms, dictated by the EU, that the UK would rejoin come the next election. All this stuff is on record chaps - it's up to the individual how they choose to interpret it.
 
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Do you not read other comments. a number of us told you we don't want to be in the Euro, we also pointed out that the majority of our trade is with Europe and it is beneficial for both parties - even leavers accept that.

You on the other hand spout on about other trade deals, which or course would need to be negotiated and as has been shown takes years to agree. about getting back sovereignty but with out explaining how we ever lost that, about making Britain great again but no as to how that is going to happen, etc. etc. You seem to have no care for the 16.1m people who voted to remain, they might be a minority but they deserve the right to be heard.

I would prefer to stay in Europe but I accept that a small majority voted to leave but by god I want to ensure that when we leave we get the best possible access to trade with the EU, that we keep a United Kingdom, that we maintain the best standard or living for our residents, that we minimise the financial impact to our economy and that we still have the tolerant multi nation country we have for years to come.
 
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Wattie said:
No offence was intended and I apologise if you were upset.
It’s high stakes political poker at the moment and unfortunately I believe our mAin player is showing her hand to others and she doesn’t really believe in it in any case.

Think I’ll bow out of this now. Whatever happens I wish everyone, whatever happens, well. I hope the Uk remains dignified and respected, globally.
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I wasn't upset, I really didn't understand the Sovereignty argument, now I do.

I also didn't know the bit about the backstop preventing us negotiating trade deals, although I think I'm right in saying the backstop doesn't come into play until after the transition period, so presumably under May's deal we are free to negotiate deals between March and the end of the transition period?

If that is the case then what happens if we have trade deals in place with countries outside the EU but not with the EU when the transition deal ends?
 
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Wattie said:
Whatever happens I wish everyone, whatever happens, well. I hope the Uk remains dignified and respected, globally.
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You'll get no disagreement on that!

Anyway, looks like it was me being over-sensitive. Neck duly wound in. Carry on.
 
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zagatoes30 said:
In theory common sense suggests a trade deal between UK and EU is good for all parties but currently the ability of either side to negotiate to a mutually beneficial agreement seems impossible to achieve, each side making demands in the take it or leave it style.
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Much as I want to stay in the EU I can see no scenario where we do. This is why I think we need to crash out of the EU with a No Deal Brexit on the 29th March

It will cause significant suffering to both the UK and the EU in the short term but it is the only way both sides will come to the table with something mutual to gain.
 
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Oneball said:
Much as I want to stay in the EU I can see no scenario where we do. This is why I think we need to crash out of the EU with a No Deal Brexit on the 29th March

It will cause significant suffering to both the UK and the EU in the short term but it is the only way both sides will come to the table with something mutual to gain.
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Unfortunately I think you are right but it will also bring about all the things that both sides are trying to avoid i.e. a border somewhere between Ireland and the mainland UK by it land or sea based which will destroy Ireland more than it will the UK. I can't see how the negotiators can't see this but I guess we will soon find out.
 
Phil H

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The fact that he said it on camera and then laughed just about sums him up. He would do well to remember that not only the other members of his club were watching but also the world at large, and if you add that to the much-publicised conduct of Juncker it doesn't look good for the club committee.

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safrane

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Any spaces in **** should also be reserved for those on the EU side who are doing their upmost to scupper any plans and will in turn fight to pick up any spoils they may find once we do leave.
 
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Phil H said:
The fact that he said it on camera and then laughed just about sums him up. He would do well to remember that not only the other members of his club were watching but also the world at large, and if you add that to the much-publicised conduct of Juncker it doesn't look good for the club committee.

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I agree, it wasn't very professional. But his comments, albeit, said with a certain amount of vitriol, were right on the money.
What kind of idiot campaigns to leave the EU, with no idea of how to do it?

It's a bit like a fat bloke who has never done any exercise in his life entering the London Marathon. He might complete it but it isn't going to be pretty.
 
zagatoes30

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Tusk is part of the problem, with such an arrogant stance there is little chance of a negotiated settlement.
 
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