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conaero said:
Sensible question if you don’t mind.

So we have a general election, could our Labour voters give their opinion of their party and more importantly JC?

I want to know how his own supporters view his capabilities as I think the guy is an idiot.
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I was reading some analysis of the polls this morning and Labour have had a bit of a mare in terms of loss of support.

The general consensus seems to be that the Lib Dem’s are going to have a comparatively strong showing and both Lab and the Tories are going to lose votes. Whether this turns into a big swing in seats is another matter.
 
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empzb said:
I'm an ex conservative but of the current crop I think JC comes across as having the most integrity of the bunch. Hes weak on the back foot though and doesnt have the charisma needed imo. Then again I cant think of anyone who really does although I'm not hugely in to politics.
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I like Corbyn, I can't understand why people would think he's an idiot. It's obvious he's in it to help people. He's held some questionable beliefs but who hasn't? And they aren't that questionable, some naivety but again we've all done that.

Look at Johnson though, is he any less of an idiot? Of course you can say the same, he's older now etc, but looking at the two, and neither seem to have the magic formula needed, I really can't see how anyone can say that Corbyn is bad man and that Johnson isn't just in it for himself.

I really can't work it out. I'd take a social conscience over demonising the poor/homeless/refugees etc, and I can't believe I'm in the minority on this. Maybe Ive got it wrong, I should fook over more people, spit on a few beggars, make some Muslim lass cry....

Trouble is, if you're young and healthy or rich, you don't care about pension, old age, health etc, but when you are old and not healthy and not rich, that's when it bites.

There's not many people that aren't three pay slips away from being on the streets, with the kids as well, and that is a tragedy when it can be avoided, remember most people aren't that clever or can plan for themselves or their families, 90-odd% of people live month-to-month, even day-to-day, it's not their fault especially when you consider all the slack is pulled up to the echelons, I remember watching Question Time in 2010, and someone was pleading, that these people at the bottom have nothing left, there's nothing else you can cream off them. Well, this government found away, and you can see it on the streets.

This isn't living, for those at the bottom and those ignoring it.
 
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conaero said:
So we are looking at a ConLib alliance...it gets worse!
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It worked so well last time! :p

Probably a hung parliament and we have experienced what that is like in the last few months, but a strong showing for a “remain” party will change the landscape in terms of the mandate for Brexit.

But it’s a long campaign, although I wouldn’t want to be Boris with his many cupboards stuffed with skeletons (or love children).
 
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conaero said:
Sensible question if you don’t mind.
So we have a general election, could our Labour voters give their opinion of their party and more importantly JC?
I want to know how his own supporters view his capabilities as I think the guy is an idiot.
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Not a Labour voter, but an ex-Conservative largely due to Brexit. For me JC is not really the issue - he's well meaning (in his own way) if ineffective as a leader. However, as I see it, John McDonnell is (one of?) the brains behind JC and makes the party unelectable. His views I cannot find any way to reconcile with. There is some self-interest there, of course - he's proposed nationalising my part of my profession...

conaero said:
So we are looking at a ConLib alliance...it gets worse!
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I suspect no overall majority is the most likely outcome and a continuation of this car-crash.

I would hope that the LibDems have learned from their most recent experience of coalition government. A worse outcome from my perspective would be if the Brexit Party and the Conservatives were able to line up some form of cooperation supported by tactical voting to avoid splitting the Brexiter vote. However, that seems unlikely as the level of disagreement on what "Brexit" means to the Brexiters seems not to have diminished.
 
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People are peeved with the failure of Brexit so probably will vote Lib Dem to revoke Article 50. I can't understand why the conservative or any other pary hold the referendum in such reverence since this will be the second General Election after the referendum.
 
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Zep said:
Shall we call that the Unicorn Alliance? :D
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You now what would be odd, cos I've thought about this, bit contrived but....

  1. Sinn Fein win a majority in the Diál.
  2. Sinn Fein campaign in UK generally, cos they can
  3. Sinn Fein garner a majority in Westminster and take up their seats...

ok, highly unlikely but it's possible SF could govern UK and Ireland at the same time - just wondering what ramifications there could be re: Brexit, EU, CTA etc...
 
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Wanderer said:
You now what would be odd, cos I've thought about this, bit contrived but....

  1. Sinn Fein win a majority in the Diál.
  2. Sinn Fein campaign in UK generally, cos they can
  3. Sinn Fein garner a majority in Westminster and take up their seats...
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ok, highly unlikely but it's possible SF could govern UK and Ireland at the same time - just wondering what ramifications there could be re: Brexit, EU, CTA etc...
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But Sinn Fein are only in NI, they could be part of a Labour coalition and push for reunification of Ireland as part of their joining. More likely than above but still remote
 
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midlifecrisis said:
But Sinn Fein are only in NI, they could be part of a Labour coalition and push for reunification of Ireland as part of their joining. More likely than above but still remote
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Not sure thats correct. Im sure Sinn Fein have MPs in the Republic as well.
 
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Zep said:
I was reading some analysis of the polls this morning and Labour have had a bit of a mare in terms of loss of support.

The general consensus seems to be that the Lib Dem’s are going to have a comparatively strong showing and both Lab and the Tories are going to lose votes. Whether this turns into a big swing in seats is another matter.
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Hardly surprising, their policy changes with the wind.

Re the election.
If the Tories and Brexit party form an alliance (unlikely) I think we get a possible majority Parliament.
If not, the leave vote is split and a hung parliament is probably inevitable, given that I cannot see the Lib Dem’s (standing as a revoke party) picking up enough votes. There are many remain voters who feel that the leave vote be respected and will not vote that way.

Just me or does anyone else find Joe Swinson to be very annoying? I’d put her in the Sturgeon camp in terms of irritation.
 
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midlifecrisis said:
But Sinn Fein are only in NI, they could be part of a Labour coalition and push for reunification of Ireland as part of their joining. More likely than above but still remote
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Sinn Fein are all-Ireland, in fact there are Sinn Fein shops all over here in Dublin, where you can buy books, posters, attire etc and round the back, rumour has it, tar-and-feathering kits and knee-capping paraphernalia.

Allegedly.

Ireland will never reunited unless on NI terms, imagine one's principals versus 4x road tax, 4x car insurance, paying to see a GP, really dear prescriptions (6 quid in uk for my meds, 72 quid in Ireland for same).

And 72 cents for a plastic bag vs 10p in UK. That one really grinds my poo....
 
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