Brexit Deal

[CatmanV2]

So what's the common theme? People in 'not simple' shock?

C

 

[Zep]

That was a terrible moment for Johnson.
He stuttered his way though the situation (as usual) and it was excruciating to watch. I watch him and find myself questioning everything he says.
Austerity was a necessary response to a financial situation- that hasn’t gone away. I’m astonished they all now feel it’s ok to spend spend spend.
It won’t end well.

I am finding the whole thing hard to watch. BJ is lying pretty much non stop

No checks on goods from NI to GB - even he said there would be when the deal was done and so do the experts.

Tax cuts in the first budget but money left right and centre.

None of it adds up, you can’t trust anything he says.

 

[Zep]

And that’s not to say the others are perfect by any stretch. I guess the trick is to look for the good bits within the bad, and I am really struggling with Johnson.

 

[CatmanV2]

And that’s not to say the other are perfect by any stretch. I guess the trick is to look for the good bits within the bad, and I am really struggling with Johnson.

Aye, but I'd rather vote for something than against.

C

 

[Wattie]

Yes he was. Convicted as such.

C

Whereas others were friends until we decided they were dictators.

Whose turn next?

 

[JonW]

I yearn for the day when Brexit is history, so I’m trying to make my decision in this election based on people’s policies on anything except Brexit.

its ridiculously hard work to find out, as everything seems to be about Brexit, Brexit, Brexit...

 

[Zep]

Aye, but I'd rather vote for something than against.

C

I was pondering the difference between politics in the 90s (when I was first engaged in them) and now.

The only thing I can see is that back then there tended to be established fact, say some sort of scandal, and then there was either a defence trying to downplay or an attempt to show the problem.

Today, they go after the sources, discredit official documents, blithely explain that retaining 20,000 nurses is the same as recruiting 20,000 more. It is an affront to the truth your eyes can see.

And yes, it is a choice between voting to prevent something - whether it is Brexit, Corbyn hugging a terrorist (unlikely as that is) or whatever. Sad really.

 

[Oneball]

Whereas others were friends until we decided they were dictators.

Whose turn next?

I reckon his first name is Donald.

 

[Rwc13]

John McDonnell predicts pound will rise if Labour win general election this week

The Shadow Chancellor went back on his 'run on the pound' warning in 2017 as he said the economy will celebrate certainty - with a February 5 Budget arranged 'within minutes' and a 100-day plan to turn the tide on Tory cuts

www.google.co.uk

I’ll have some of whatever McDonnell has been smoking............deluded!

 

[lifes2short]

So do you have any actual evidence to back this up

i did, but the Corbynistas hacked my computer, watch this space

 

[lifes2short]

Unfortunately.. or fortunate depending on your persuasion

I haven't quite mastered the powers of persuasion so will need to come back to you on that one

 

[lifes2short]

I believe that’s exactly how the Good Friday Agreement worked out, wasn’t it?

fook my old boots, do you mean they got cream teas, fecking outrageous

 

[Silvercat]

I am finding the whole thing hard to watch. BJ is lying pretty much non stop

No checks on goods from NI to GB - even he said there would be when the deal was done and so do the experts.

Tax cuts in the first budget but money left right and centre.

None of it adds up, you can’t trust anything he says.

That maybe.....but equally can you trust anything that Corbyn and his cronies are also saying??...an endless list of empty promises, the majority of which are uncosted, undeliverable and plain delusional. If Corbyn gets in then it will be a return to the 1970's with nationalised industries, runaway inflation, an economy on its knees and record unemployment! Is that what we really want?....

 

[Wattie]

I reckon his first name is Donald.

Correct,Tusk!

 

[Zep]

That maybe.....but equally can you trust anything that Corbyn and his cronies are also saying??...an endless list of empty promises, the majority of which are uncosted, undeliverable and plain delusional. If Corbyn gets in then it will be a return to the 1970's with nationalised industries, runaway inflation, an economy on its knees and record unemployment! Is that what we really want?....

You are misinterpreting my distaste for Johnson’s difficult relationship with the truth as support of Corbyn. I also think you are incorrectly conflating the performance of a 70s labour government with that which might come to pass.

I am actually hoping for a hung parliament, which stands some chance of curbing the excesses on either side and might force a regeneration in politics, once the hot potato has been dealt with in one way or another.

As Catman said, it would be nice to have something to vote for, rather than something to vote against.

 

[Wattie]

I yearn for the day when Brexit is history, so I’m trying to make my decision in this election based on people’s policies on anything except Brexit.

its ridiculously hard work to find out, as everything seems to be about Brexit, Brexit, Brexit...

Trouble is the policies are all lies and never transpire as outlined.
For the first time ever I can see why Scotland wants to rid itself of Westminster’s shackles and the out of touch leaders therein.
When ex Tory and Labour leaders (Major/Blair) cannot support their own parties it shows how desperate the political situation is.

 

[Corranga]

It’s a real shame the SNP are so fixated on independence, Sturgeon is probably the most charismatic of all UK politicians and comes across well, their message is generally on point regarding immigration and taxation, and their manifesto fact checks better than any other party, as in, with fewer lies!

Of course a Tory victory in this election could well see a second independence referendum the UK splitting up, and that’s not something I’d like to see. Still, perhaps it’s nice to have the option...

 

[Rwc13]

That maybe.....but equally can you trust anything that Corbyn and his cronies are also saying??...an endless list of empty promises, the majority of which are uncosted, undeliverable and plain delusional. If Corbyn gets in then it will be a return to the 1970's with nationalised industries, runaway inflation, an economy on its knees and record unemployment! Is that what we really want?....

UK the next Venezuela under a Corbyn led Government.........

 

[midlifecrisis]

I'm with Zep, Boris is a pathological liar with no sense of compassion. I'm not asking for Jacinta Arden levels of compassion but at least some acknowledgement of humanity. (I'd actually like to accuse him of being on par with Aung San Suu Kyi!)
However this does not mean that I'm a supporter of Corbyn, I think he's dangerously too far to the left with his promises of Nationalisation and 1970's attitudes. His lack of leadership qualities manifests itself in the Anti-Semitism Scandal. It first emerged over two years ago and is still not put to bed. Only now is he apologising. The party dithered on the definition of Anti-Semitism but he didn't step in. He's also on the fence in his decision for Brexit. He's a closet leaver, it's obvious, he's the protege of Tony Benn, a firm Euro-Skeptic. So he won't get my vote.

So who do I want to vote for? I think that's obvious. They won't get in but at least Boris won't have a majority and I can complain about him and his knavish tricks .

 

[Rwc13]

For a forum that has a pretty well documented dislike for “snowflakes”, I would have thought Boris would be right up most people’s street. He says what he believes, has a sense of humour that will occasionally cause offence, and sometimes uses colourful language to get his point across. So he should be right at home on this forum, particularly with those that enjoy posting or viewing the odd picture of a well endowed and shapely young woman despite the sexist connotations in wider society of such things.

I have seen no absence of compassion, but neither does he pretend to have compassion for everything (eg Corbyn and Swinson).

Does he occasionally get flustered by a question and give a slightly cringeworthy unrehearsed answer, yes - but better that than the soundbite politics of the alternative leaders.

Does he tell lies sometimes, perhaps, but that hardly puts him in an elite group amongst politicians, as we know, and let he amongst us without guilt cast the first stone.

And some of his media and opponent alleged lies are arguably not lies, just his version of the truth, eg there will be no Customs checks in the Irish Sea. As I understand it, there will definitely not be any EU forced checks on goods coming to the UK across the Irish Sea. And going the other way, the withdrawal agreement says there MAY be checks in certain circumstances. However, this is is not absolute and is to be negotiated as part of the future trading relationship. Clearly, he does not want this and will negotiate hard to avoid it. So does that make it a lie for him to say, in his view, there will be none?

I wouldn’t describe myself as a Boris fan boy, but in 100 days he achieved the “impossible” according to his detractors, the media and the EU - he got the withdrawal agreement reopened, the backstop removed, and achieved other positive improvements in the Brexit deal. All the opposition did in this period was tell him he would fail and then try to undo what he achieved. On this basis, I’d like to see him get the chance to govern for a full Parliament to see what other “impossible” improvements in quality of life in the UK for all he might deliver without bankrupting the nation. Will everybody love him? No. Will he upset people sometimes with his shoot from the hip approach and colourful sense of humour? Yes. Is he human like the rest of us and doesn’t pretend otherwise? In my view, yes and shouldn’t be condemned for that.