Thoughts on consolidating maybe 3 cars into 1?

Hawk13

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Having been down the route of consolidating before, I have concluded that I like having multiple vehicles and would never have just 1 car again out of choice.

The problem with getting something special is:

1 - you will not (whatever you may think) use it as a daily;
2 - will resent it if you just want to nip to the shops or take a trip on the motorway to visit relatives;
3 - everyone will think you are a w@nker!
 

Vampyrebat

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bang on, been there done that so many times, good to have a daily workhorse/runabout that you don't get anal about where to park it and then your besty for special days that you spend half an hour trying to find that special out of the way end spot whilst the mrs is having a fit
I bought the Barchetta for this very reason, to keep the miles off the 42 and safer to drive in the winter! Ended up finding one that fit the bill, spent money on getting it up to my standards. It is pretty perfect now with only 30k so I am now thinking about something else to keep the miles off this one!! I'm thinking it will have to be a 'Banger', but then, I don't want to be seen in a 'Banger'!!
 

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I bought the Barchetta for this very reason, to keep the miles off the 42 and safer to drive in the winter! Ended up finding one that fit the bill, spent money on getting it up to my standards. It is pretty perfect now with only 30k so I am now thinking about something else to keep the miles off this one!! I'm thinking it will have to be a 'Banger', but then, I don't want to be seen in a 'Banger'!!
I go through the same loop.
My daily is now a Mk1 Audi TT QS.
 

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My 2006 QP is very much my daily so no issue popping to shop for single item. Just about to turn 100k miles, undocumented service history, owned outright and worth less that 10k. The cars owes me nothing after almost 6 years ownership. Nobody would buy it, so it is mine to just use. Has plenty of parking dings, kerb marked alloys in three different colours. None of that matters.
The interior is still sublime. Whenever driven I am transported to a better place, and if woken from my pink fluffy cloud by some noisy neighbour.............plant the food and let revs rip round to 7500rpm. Now we are awake, alive and alert.
Whenever I am asked "how many miles to the gallon do you get?" seems like the quote, "talking about music is like dancing about architecture"
 

rs48635

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I have had the same thought a number of times but the one car would have to be very special and like you I would probably have a budget of around £75k but not found anything that I could truly commit to selling all 3 of mine.

A 550 is probably the closest but the only way to be sure would be to drive one for more than just 20-30 mins. Maybe think again about it once all this **** has calmed down.
Zag
I really hope the 550 drops back into my price range. Was introduced to "kiwi bob" at Maserati dealer drive day when the QP V was new. Showed him my 3200 AC and went in his silver manual 550. I drove 3200 first and went quite steady with new chap in the car. Bob drove like meat loaf. Afterwards it was decided that 3200 was not as fast as expected. I decided the 550 was something else.
Bob described the car as "just a big (lotus) elise" which was demonstrated in great style. The gearbox is indestructible and brakes are expensive , so there was a LOT of downshifting :D
 

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OK you got me looking again, so I get the 550 is manual and 575, 599 etc are generally flappy paddle but surprised that both the latter are generally cheaper than the older 550

I’ve not driven either but Ferrari are supposed to have messed the car up when they changed the 550 to make the 575.
 

rockits

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Not sure the 550 or 575 or even 360's seem to offer the best VFM at the moment compared to others.

There are tons of California's about at 60k+ and 599's not much more. Even 430's have dropped a fair bit since I last looked.
 

zagatoes30

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Not sure the 550 or 575 or even 360's seem to offer the best VFM at the moment compared to others.

There are tons of California's about at 60k+ and 599's not much more. Even 430's have dropped a fair bit since I last looked.

The 599 is a stinking car and pretty close to ticking a lot of boxes for me but not a chance of bringing one in to Ireland unless you want to throw another €30k to the government in VRT. VRT would force me to look at something 30 years old but there is not much at that age that would tempt me to sell what I have. If I was in the UK and the 599 prices soften a bit more I would seriously be tempted.
 

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It was proven in 2008 what will happen to the market, I see no reason why a very similar thing won’t happen again with the exception of the cost of holding dealer stock for 3 months when they can’t be sold. The main difference is that the GFV offered on most cars has been lower than 2008 as the bank learned not to risk negative equity when cars are handed back.

  1. Several owners using leverage finance will panic and/or be unable to maintain payments and will hand cars back at end of term of once 50% is paid as per the rules.
  2. There becomes a glut of cars available that were on finance, especially those on clever deals such as the stuff BMW offer for M cars. That oversupply drives a lower price, at least for a while.
  3. More people lease as they want a finite cost with no obligations.
  4. Higher end cars tend to go down a little too as buyers that can afford it wait and watch, instead of chopping and changing. They tend not to go down as much as cars say, below 40k or so but they do adjust.
  5. Banks either increase interest to compensate for less trade or the opposite and offer very low rates to encourage volume.
  6. Canny buyers that can afford pick up long term purchases at good prices. This eventually (2 or 3 years) drives the good examples off the market and that stimulates things as demand starts to outstrip supply.
  7. Governments offer incentives to get old cars off the road, flying in the face of their green targets and righteous exteriors. This is because manufacturing jobs are more important than global warming. In this case, we may see extending incentives instead on electric stuff to try and appear like they are doing the right thing, irrespective of the actual truth behind this technology today.
  8. Collector cars slow down in sales but as a commodity with finite supply, they tend to attract the wealthy and often will buck the trend as they are safe assets in some ways. However this is the really good stuff so cars that have creeped in to the market as collector cars but actually aren’t really can be hit. Things like a 993 porsche which really was made in too high numbers can be affected.

Some dealerships that utilise credit facilities to buy their stock could go under unless their bankers are understanding of the climate. Bigger dealers will have say, a £5m facility to buy and sell as they like. The more stock they have, the interest they are paying. Ordinarily they would flip stock through the auctions if it’s been on the forecourt for 3-6months but that’s not possible just now. So when we do get going, BCA will be flooded and that will cause a short term prices loss as well but it will sort itself out after the initial rush.

Smaller, smart dealerships, like Dicky will likely be a strong position as a wealth of choice comes onto the market allowing them to pick and choose the really good cars. There will always be a market for the good cars and keeping lower overheads will be a strong advantage.

In the end it does resolve.

All this is why I will keep the FF for some time, as long as I’m able to. There’s no point chopping it in a low market. Might as well enjoy it and wait out the initial uncertainty.

In all honesty, the current moment has made me realise how lucky we all are and that craving the next, faster, newer thing is actually ridiculous. So I accept my luck and and grateful.
 

rockits

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I'd agree with much of this as well. We know there has been over supply for some time. Unless the govt decide to get some numbers out of the market in some way the over supply will increase as demand lessens and prices will fall. There is no scenario I can see where prices will not fall.

We like Dicky as a small business are positioned well. Not purposely positioned for this scenario specifically but because it was thought it was a better more advantageous place to be anyway. We have continually drilled down costs to try to become as small and perfectly formed as possible. I think to have the advantage to scale/grow/flex when required and to be able to contract/shrink when required in reverse quickly/easily is a great advantage. One that is lost often as soon as a business gets too big as this model is so much harder to employ.

However this falls down a bit if the big guys that are 'too big to fail' are bailed out when they fail then the advantages or reduced. I still think is the right thing to do though.

I do think there will be some seismic changes on how the majority buy and use cars in the next 5 years as we all know. What or how....I don't know.

Definitely keep the FF as it is a cracking car and nowt wrong with it. Who cares what it is worth. Especially if you own it 100% and owe nowt. Sometimes newer, faster, better, bigger, more expensive isn't always better.

I wholeheartedly agree in that think one thing is clear. That we need to be more appreciative and happier with what we have today. As we have seen....things can change.....dramatically and quickly.

Funny thought how we can't make some changes as quick as they really need to be sometimes! Brexit took 3 years, climate change is too fast in the wrong direction and too slow in the right direction. The CV crisis has proved that change can be quick.
 

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All this is why I will keep the FF for some time, as long as I’m able to. There’s no point chopping it in a low market. Might as well enjoy it and wait out the initial uncertainty.

In all honesty, the current moment has made me realise how lucky we all are and that craving the next, faster, newer thing is actually ridiculous. So I accept my luck and and grateful.

Aye. Same. Only Vantage, not FF. As it's now worth about £120, I may as well keep it. I also decided not to SORN it even while we're all locked down. It can still find its way to the supermarket and to deliver a few things to my Mum, who lives a nice drive away (if I take the back roads it's a really nice drive).
 

lifes2short

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I bought the Barchetta for this very reason, to keep the miles off the 42 and safer to drive in the winter! Ended up finding one that fit the bill, spent money on getting it up to my standards. It is pretty perfect now with only 30k so I am now thinking about something else to keep the miles off this one!! I'm thinking it will have to be a 'Banger', but then, I don't want to be seen in a 'Banger'!!

that story is so familiar to me and must be echoed by so many other petrol heads, its a bloomin good way of starting a car collection though ;)
 

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about a couple of months ago i bought a one owner really low mileage 2005 316 m sport e46 bmw that I wanted to use as a general run about, paid £1200, got it on the ramps and was so amazed in the condition that I cant bring myself to use it, 3 weeks ago I bought again a low mileage 2 owner 1998 v8 discovery 1 for towing heavy plant machinery so I wouldn't completely sh4g the X5 and again got it on the ramp and the chassis/bodywork was in incredible condition with no rust at all and they do rot out on these, superb leather interior, it's a 50th anniversary model and only paid £2250 for it, I'm told it might be a sought after model especially in this condition, so I now have 2 extra cars that were supposed to be workhorse/daily runner that just sit in the bloomin garage, fully taxed and insured :oops:
 

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It was proven in 2008 what will happen to the market, I see no reason why a very similar thing won’t happen again with the exception of the cost of holding dealer stock for 3 months when they can’t be sold. The main difference is that the GFV offered on most cars has been lower than 2008 as the bank learned not to risk negative equity when cars are handed back.

  1. Several owners using leverage finance will panic and/or be unable to maintain payments and will hand cars back at end of term of once 50% is paid as per the rules.
  2. There becomes a glut of cars available that were on finance, especially those on clever deals such as the stuff BMW offer for M cars. That oversupply drives a lower price, at least for a while.
  3. More people lease as they want a finite cost with no obligations.
  4. Higher end cars tend to go down a little too as buyers that can afford it wait and watch, instead of chopping and changing. They tend not to go down as much as cars say, below 40k or so but they do adjust.
  5. Banks either increase interest to compensate for less trade or the opposite and offer very low rates to encourage volume.
  6. Canny buyers that can afford pick up long term purchases at good prices. This eventually (2 or 3 years) drives the good examples off the market and that stimulates things as demand starts to outstrip supply.
  7. Governments offer incentives to get old cars off the road, flying in the face of their green targets and righteous exteriors. This is because manufacturing jobs are more important than global warming. In this case, we may see extending incentives instead on electric stuff to try and appear like they are doing the right thing, irrespective of the actual truth behind this technology today.
  8. Collector cars slow down in sales but as a commodity with finite supply, they tend to attract the wealthy and often will buck the trend as they are safe assets in some ways. However this is the really good stuff so cars that have creeped in to the market as collector cars but actually aren’t really can be hit. Things like a 993 porsche which really was made in too high numbers can be affected.
Some dealerships that utilise credit facilities to buy their stock could go under unless their bankers are understanding of the climate. Bigger dealers will have say, a £5m facility to buy and sell as they like. The more stock they have, the interest they are paying. Ordinarily they would flip stock through the auctions if it’s been on the forecourt for 3-6months but that’s not possible just now. So when we do get going, BCA will be flooded and that will cause a short term prices loss as well but it will sort itself out after the initial rush.

Smaller, smart dealerships, like Dicky will likely be a strong position as a wealth of choice comes onto the market allowing them to pick and choose the really good cars. There will always be a market for the good cars and keeping lower overheads will be a strong advantage.

In the end it does resolve.

All this is why I will keep the FF for some time, as long as I’m able to. There’s no point chopping it in a low market. Might as well enjoy it and wait out the initial uncertainty.

In all honesty, the current moment has made me realise how lucky we all are and that craving the next, faster, newer thing is actually ridiculous. So I accept my luck and and grateful.
This sounds very credible and has the benefit of being supported by recent history. Whilst what we are witnessing is unprecedented, I believe there is enough of a similarity between 2008 and what we are seeing now (in terms of the car market). That is assuming restrictions are lifted to enable business to recover before we see a dramatic economic downturn, leading to depression, escalating inflation, interest rates etc. I trust this is unlikely to be allowed to happen!

Interestingly, checking my car ownership history, I bought two cars in early '09; a 2003 RS6 Avant for £11k (sold it for £11.5k 2 years and 60k miles later) and a Landcruiser Amazon V8 (1 lady owner) for £6k and sold that 3 years and 55k miles later for £9.3k. Not as exciting as a 599 but keep scanning PH and AT for the bargains!