Opening up our homes to Ukrainians
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Wattie
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“At the moment”
Mmmmn
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I suspect that this debate will all be academic shortly.
Forgive me for referring to Yes Minister yet again.
However, it is always instructive to one degree or another.
Such as.
I think that there are a number of scenarios under which Putin will
authorise the use of nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons.
He has just sacked army generals and the head and deputy head
of the FSB directorate responsible for prosecuting the war at a
strategic level.
Putin has never had close ties to the Russian military, so much of
the blame was attached to the FSB. Of which he was head, in the 90's.
If you look at the drone images of Mariupol, its clear that the Russians
are prepared to reduce Ukrainian cities to ashes. This is their strategy
for reducing their own casualties. Their goals are territory, not
infrastructure or people.
I believe that the Russians are deciding or have decided where they
can best employ WMDs and that one or more will be used soon.
(Perhaps in conjunction with a special forces raid to kill the Ukrainian
President.) Their assumption being that, once they demonstrate their
willingness to use WMDs, the Ukrainians will surrender immediately.
The location may be one where they've claimed the Ukrainians are
developing WMDs of their own.
Long story short. Apologies again.
I suspect that things will get a lot worse before they get better.
Afterwards, tens of millions of Ukrainians will not be able to return
or won't want to return, because winter will be approaching and
there will be no infrastructure whatsoever to support them in large
parts of Ukraine.
Personally, I believe that it would be better for the Ukrainian refugees
if they were all brought to a central hub. Like a recently decommissioned
military camp or similar. That way everything they need can be brought to
them and they are surrounded by people they know and trust.
Our own public services are at breaking point in many areas and Covid
is spiking again. So we really need to take a structured approach, if we
are going to accept refugees for what will need to be an extended
period.
No matter what happens. Russia will owe massive reparations to Ukraine
and I hope that this aspect of whatever peace settlement emerges, is
rigorously enforced.
Forgive me for referring to Yes Minister yet again.
However, it is always instructive to one degree or another.
Such as.
authorise the use of nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons.
He has just sacked army generals and the head and deputy head
of the FSB directorate responsible for prosecuting the war at a
strategic level.
Putin has never had close ties to the Russian military, so much of
the blame was attached to the FSB. Of which he was head, in the 90's.
If you look at the drone images of Mariupol, its clear that the Russians
are prepared to reduce Ukrainian cities to ashes. This is their strategy
for reducing their own casualties. Their goals are territory, not
infrastructure or people.
I believe that the Russians are deciding or have decided where they
can best employ WMDs and that one or more will be used soon.
(Perhaps in conjunction with a special forces raid to kill the Ukrainian
President.) Their assumption being that, once they demonstrate their
willingness to use WMDs, the Ukrainians will surrender immediately.
The location may be one where they've claimed the Ukrainians are
developing WMDs of their own.
Long story short. Apologies again.
I suspect that things will get a lot worse before they get better.
Afterwards, tens of millions of Ukrainians will not be able to return
or won't want to return, because winter will be approaching and
there will be no infrastructure whatsoever to support them in large
parts of Ukraine.
Personally, I believe that it would be better for the Ukrainian refugees
if they were all brought to a central hub. Like a recently decommissioned
military camp or similar. That way everything they need can be brought to
them and they are surrounded by people they know and trust.
Our own public services are at breaking point in many areas and Covid
is spiking again. So we really need to take a structured approach, if we
are going to accept refugees for what will need to be an extended
period.
No matter what happens. Russia will owe massive reparations to Ukraine
and I hope that this aspect of whatever peace settlement emerges, is
rigorously enforced.
At the moment the priority is for the Ukrainian people who have “ family” in the UK, when they are applying for a permit to travel on the gov website they must tick the right box that tells them what their relationship is - cousin/brother etc. There is no process for random selection as yet.
I can’t see that coming in for a while.
I can’t see that coming in for a while.
Scaf
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Good idea, just leave them living in a tent with f- all and carry on with my life as normal
Wattie
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Lots of people have f-all.Good idea, just leave them living in a tent with f- all and carry on with my life as normal
Why not take in a couple of homeless over the weekend…..chances are they don’t even have a tent.
I suspect, you, like me have been happily walking past them for years……
ps. I did say “assist in other ways”
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Yes I can report similar. My only Ukrainian friend has sorted his own family and apart from a thanks for the offer, nothing further.
It's looking like a semi PR stunt. I'm hoping the government will change the rules and perhaps make it easier for Ukrainians to come.
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My company has been trying to get the families of our people there out. Where possible we have found accommodation in Germany and Romania. A Russian-speaking colleague in CZ has been helping in a refugee centre. It's a ******* mess and I'm embarrassed that the UK for numerous dull, heartbreaking and witheringly **** reasons is somehow so incapable of helping. All I can do is send money to people and causes that get to the right place fastest.
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Our company has offered its Ukrainian supplier the option of hosting its staff and immediate families here in Ireland, the government has been keen to help and currently we have provided accommodation in Dublin for 4 families with 2 more just awaiting travel arrangements to be confirmed
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We have registered for a family (our kids left now) but the govt are being very awkward and slow. One chap from a charity I saw sensibly said " don't let perfect be the enemy of good".
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Adam
If through your contacts over there you can link us to others that need a safe place, please let me know.
Ditto
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Ditto happy to accommodate a child male/female up to age of 5/6.
Scaf
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Forget the paper trail, actually finding someone to sponsor is difficult.
Yesterday we did connect to another genuine family and had a brief video call, they are in Poland living in a sports centre.
Later today we will be trying to complete the online application that has to be done together, so they have to be sure to have access to the internet all relevant documentation etc - even if we get that done, it sounds like weeks of waiting exists the application in processed.
Yesterday we did connect to another genuine family and had a brief video call, they are in Poland living in a sports centre.
Later today we will be trying to complete the online application that has to be done together, so they have to be sure to have access to the internet all relevant documentation etc - even if we get that done, it sounds like weeks of waiting exists the application in processed.
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Scaf
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This is the site whigh we have found most helpful, once you have registered, your details are available for refugees to see and make contact, and refugees details are available for you to search through and make contact.
https://www.opora.uk/
https://www.opora.uk/