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rivarama

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I’ve decided to no longer be active on here, I’m sure it will please some I have left, and that they have “won” and got their forum back.

I find the lack of inclusion for those who are not white, not British and not male to be difficult to stomach, but I have often ignored it. However the constant support given to those who believe hatred and abuse of others is both acceptable and amusing has made me realise that this is not somewhere I wish to remain.

Well said. I agree with all the points you made, but I can’t stop following this forum myself. Just like a bad road side accident... I know I should not be looking, but I can’t stop staring.

I certainly will be missing you on this forum.

For what it’s worth, I think we should have closed the Brexit thread (and probably a few others) long ago as they are stirring themes not necessarily conducive to inclusion and diversity.
 

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If you or he think I’m racist then that is your problem, not mine. Please point out where I have been overtly racist and I will explain why you are wrong. Yes, I am middle class, straight, white and male but that doesn’t mean I am, by default, a racist. These days people like Oneball and, it would appear, you are all too quick to default to the racist accusation because you feel offended in some way. That doesn’t automatically mean that I am wrong purely because you take offence. Please point out where I have bullied Oneball or yourself and I will apologise, if you can’t then please stop making unfounded accusations. All this started out because I aired my dislike of Hamilton, the fact he is black DOES NOT MATTER. I dislike him because of his attitude and beliefs, which is my prerogative, and if you read anything else into it, it’s you that is wrong.
Can someone please help me find the “block” button?
 

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I agree with @conaero that mostly this forum is a good place to be.

But I also share some of the concerns that @Oneball has raised. Not just the issue of racism, but also the abusive language that flares up sometimes. And, over the past year, I have had PMs from a handful of members expressing concerns about racism, sexism, abuse and bullying on here, and saying that they have dropped out of threads and blocked people because of it. That does nor sound very welcoming and inclusive to me.

On racism, it is clear to me that many people on here are very confident that they are not racist, but some of them also communicate in ways that are very clearly perceived as racist by others. I'm not saying that perception is everything, but I'd like to think that people might actually consider the effect of what they are saying, and not just rely on their own certainties.
I can see how a black person on this forum might feel very alienated indeed by vigorous dismissals of the prevalence of racism, casual mentions of lazy people with a Caribbean parents, or assumptions about the ethnicity of bad drivers in flash wedding cars, or self-made (white) men using their lack of general privilege to dismiss the added challenges experienced by black people, or 'just saying' about including black people in an advertisement, or about all lives mattering.

On the abuse and bullying, this too has got out of hand on several occasions, notably in the Brexit and COVID threads, and those insults and escalations should probably have been nipped in the bud sooner, in my opinion.

Really, it seems to me that the problem is that a few people who are very confident of their rightness, and very willing to be vivid and confrontational in their communication style, seem to think that this is an unqualified virtue, and seem both to feel free and to be free to behave in this way whatever the impact on others. It seems to me that such people should be able to express their views perfectly well here, without needing to be so confrontational.
 
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