Defacing Statues

[lozcb]

I’m still waiting for somebody to point me to evidence that George Floyd’s death was racially motivated.......

Thats because it wasnt , but what is more fightening is the way the media has grabbed hold of it , distorted and deflected it as racially motivated, coupled with the use of social media wound up into a frenzy its escalated into what we are seeing today, ................................which is exactly my concern how our so called intelligent yoof can be drawn into such diversive tactics without realising someone has a hook though their nose and leading them down the garden path .................thats my biggest fear and another reason i will always be vocal ......................at my time of life i have nothing to lose ................no job or career to lose as a consequence

 

[CatmanV2]

figures need to be remembered as the sum of their existence, not for one chapter of it.

The evil that men do lives after them. The good is oft interred with their bones

C

 

[lozcb]

I think this one has been put to bed guys , appreciate all comments from both sides , i'll be starting a collection shortly to buy Mark a new pair of red trousers for his new found values

 

[GeoffCapes]

Well , I'm not 'manipulating the statistics', I merely provided data from the 2011 census, and calculated some percentages, to show that the raw numbers given by @lifes2short were not were not actually telling us anything. (Except perhaps that people tend to overestimate how many black people there are in the UK.)

But you make a good point about arrest rates. And indeed it turns out that someone is three times more likely to be arrested if they are black (for whatever reason), but then they are proportionately slightly less likely to die is custody. So that is great news if you are black and already in custody. I suppose.

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Arrests figures (2017/18) from: https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures...olicing/number-of-arrests/latest#by-ethnicity

I love stats. You can make them read whatever way you want.

Of those arrests, I think a column needs to be added to show conviction numbers.

Because if you (for example) split those arrests into ethnic origin and it shows 10% of that ethnicity are committing 40% of the crime, then it skews the point you are trying to make.

If that 10% commit 10% of crime then there is an issue.

 

[Koz]

I’m still waiting for somebody to point me to evidence that George Floyd’s death was racially motivated.......

Not sure if this is compelling evidence, but perhaps gives a view (from his former boss) of the police officers attitude towards the black community.

Former nightclub owner saw ‘overkill’ in Minneapolis cop Derek Chauvin’s reaction to black clientele

A white Minneapolis police officer and the black man he’s charged with killing both worked as security guards at the same Latin nightclub as recently as last year, but its former owner says she’s n…

www.mercurynews.com

 

[lifes2short]

I agree that it seems to me that in the US there is a huge problem with cops just being thugs and also being scared and defensive (not completely unreasonably) which makes them aggressive and violent. You can see plenty of video evidence of them pushing around old white people to demonstrate this.

BUT I think that this problem is greatly compounded by racism, in that their thuggishness is particularly aimed at people they 'expect' to be dangerous or 'assume' to be powerless and so they target black people. There is plenty of evidence that if a US cop sees a black person the assume 'trouble' and if they see a white person they do not have the same stance. And, when black people are also getting pushed around in the workplace, etc, they are sensitive to these oppressions and so there is the potential for a spiral of escalation in any encounter with the cops.

I think the UK also has this problem, but to a MUCH lower extent, both less racism and less violence. But it is still something to be worked on. This short video is interesting (and somewhat cheering) as the UK cop and citizen both behave in a lovely way. BUT in the end it is pretty clear to me that the citizen was being questioned because he was 'a black man in a nice car'.

as said too many racism cards being pulled, I was driving without my seatbelt some months ago and a passing cop car did a u turn and pulled me over, I was given the third degree and all sorts of physical checks on the car and my ID, seemed as if they really wanted to find something wrong to throw at me, about 30 minutes later after checking my ID and the car all good to go with a slap on the wrist, although they were miffed that nowt wrong with motor, if I were black is that racism? or simply cops doing a thorough check regardless of colour

 

[D Walker]

I'm in, not keen on ginger tw4ts

See, now, I really should be offended......

 

[lifes2short]

See, now, I really should be offended......

depends what tw4t we talking about

 

[GeoffCapes]

I’m still waiting for somebody to point me to evidence that George Floyd’s death was racially motivated.......

I'll help you out on that one. It wasn't.

 

[doodlebug]

"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." ~ George Orwell, 1984

 

[Alexpie]

Here's one that just popped up on my facebook. Statue of Queen Victoria.
Well known for being a slave owner and trader right?! Or was it that slavery was abolished before her reign, and she sent the Royal Navy to capture the slave boats and stop them going to the USA? Blockade of Africa anyone? The really ironic thing is that I think it says "Educate" in graffiti at the bottom.

 

[gb-gta]

The evil that men do lives after them. The good is oft interred with their bones

C

So a man walks into a bar, and sits down. He starts a conversation with an old guy next to him. The old guy has obviously had a few. He says to the man:
"You see that dock out there? Built it myself, hand crafted each piece, and it's the best dock in town! But do they call me "McGregor the dock builder"? No! And you see that bridge over there? I built that, took me two months, through rain, sleet and scoarching weather, but do they call me "McGregor the bridge builder"? No! And you see that pier over there, I built that, best pier in the county! But do they call me "McGregor the pier builder"? No!"
The old guy looks around, and makes sure that nobody is listening, and leans to the man, and he says:
"but you fu@k one sheep..."

 

[zagatoes30]

Why did you have to say 'black'? He is black but why the need?

That is my view once you add the adjective you are heading on a downward path, the sooner we can describe people the same the better

 

[Koz]

Not making light of any situation....

 

[Oneball]

Facebook removes The Specials singer's page 'over skinhead links' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-52992946

 

[lozcb]

Perhaps it might be a good idea to include an in depth study into the history curriculum disclosing the truth about slavery, how and when it started , who were complicit and if possible the parts they played,

I have small knowledge into this, but compared to most immigrants or descendants of it appears my knowledge is far greater than theirs in general terms,

In the Gambia where the transportation to the Carribean began in regards to the British involvement , the main collection/holding point was James Island , a small island in the middle of the River Gambia, and the Pier on the mainland still remains and is regarded as a memorial and part of the tourist tours still to this day.

What the British discovered when the first trading exploration ships arrived was an existing thriving slave trade , operated and run by African chiefs of the time , The chiefs would send out raiding parties to opposing tribes in what is now Senegal and Mauritania and Mali to capture as many as possible , they would then sell the resultant captives to the highest bidder . who happened to be of Arab origin . Subsequently there developed the slave trade route through northern and central africa arriving eventually to various ports in the horn of Africa where they would be shipped to countries around Arabia and southern Europe and the far East.

It was when the British discovered this pre existing system that it was decided to exploit it , and the British being British and slightly more advanced of the time did it exceedingly successfully for the following 200 years . Yes they did set up a local branches further up and down the west african coast to coordinate shipments as the operation expanded , but never ever have i heard one single African american acknowledge that it was their own ancestors that implemented the initation in the first place ....................Never did the British get involved actively going out and seaching for potential slaves , that was all carried out by the respective tribal chiefs who would benefit ,

The whole thing is a horrid business but the complete story must be told and each party must take their share of any blame that gets apportioned to any one particular nation

 

[Koz]

Perhaps it might be a good idea to include an in depth study into the history curriculum disclosing the truth about slavery, how and when it started , who were complicit and if possible the parts they played,

I have small knowledge into this, but compared to most immigrants or descendants of it appears my knowledge is far greater than theirs in general terms,

In the Gambia where the transportation to the Carribean began in regards to the British involvement , the main collection/holding point was James Island , a small island in the middle of the River Gambia, and the Pier on the mainland still remains and is regarded as a memorial and part of the tourist tours still to this day.

What the British discovered when the first trading exploration ships arrived was an existing thriving slave trade , operated and run by African chiefs of the time , The chiefs would send out raiding parties to opposing tribes in what is now Senegal and Mauritania and Mali to capture as many as possible , they would then sell the resultant captives to the highest bidder . who happened to be of Arab origin . Sunsequently there developed the slave trade route through northern and central africa arriving eventually to various ports in the horn of Africa where they would be shipped to countries around Arabia and southern Europe and the far East.

It was when the British discovered this pre existing system that it was decided to exploit it , and the British being British and slightly more advanced of the time did it exceedingly successfully for the following 200 years . Yes they did set up a local branches further up and down the west african coast to coordinate shipments as the operation expanded , but never ever have i heard one single African american acknowledge that it was their own ancestors that implemented the initation in the first place ....................Never did the British get involved actively going out and seaching for potential slaves , that was all carried out by the respective tribal chiefs who would benefit ,

The whole thing is a horrid business but the complete story must be told and each party must take their share of any blame that gets apportioned to any one particular nation

Can you spare a minute to help Bismah Rahman?

Teach British children about the realities of British Imperialism and Colonialism

chng.it

 

[CatmanV2]

Facebook removes The Specials singer's page 'over skinhead links' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-52992946

Algorithm knows nothing about British pop history non-shock

C

 

[Silvercat]

Just heard on the local news that apparently there are now calls to remove statues of Capt Cook in Whitby because evidently a group in New Zealand have taken great offence to its existence and want it removing. Really?!
TBH it seems to me that the F---ing world has gone bat sh-t crazy. Maybe it's this virus which is warping peoples minds.

 

[P5Nij]

Do you have a source for this? I can't find it. I did see a tweet that he said that he had been busy focusing on jobs and the city's budget, which were higher priority than statues; but that;s not the same thing.

He sounds pretty sensible as mayors go...

Apologies for my late reply to this Mark I've only just seen it - been busy at work all day trying to avoid bricks being thrown by utter scrotes from a railway bridge.... I heard it on the radio in the car, it was a brief clip of an interview he did, not sure which station it was as I was skimming through the menu looking for something else. Apologies also for the way I wrote my initial post, I probably ought to be a little more erudite but I can paint draw draw much better than I can write..!

Back to racism itself though if I may, it can take many, many forms, pardon the expression but it's certainly not just a black and white or a black on white issue - example one, my union rep at work, a thoroughly decent guy most of the time, is black, fervently left wing, likes to keep a weather eye on social injustice etc, and openly hates Asians, he can be very vocal about it at times, it's very odd but I don't begrudge him his opinions. Example two, in the run up to the local elections in May last year my (Jewish) cousin had a knock at the door from two young Labour supporters, on opening the door one of them asked her if they could rely on her support in the election to which she replied ''I'm sorry but I cannot give my support to anyone from a party who's leader has allowed anti-semitism to fester and flourish....'', she didn't get a chance to finish her sentence as the two youngsters launched into a disgusting tirade of verbal abuse about Jews being the cause of all the world's problems and how dare she criticise Jeremy Corbyn etc etc, one of them called her a Yiddish *****.

Funny old world isn't it...?