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I see my fellow Scots have ruled the prorogue to be unlawful and for BJ's gain only, therefore ruling that he lied to the Queen.

So now, in his first month he has lied to the Queen and lost more Commons votes than any PM in history. That's quite the CV entry.

And still Corbyn's Labour sit on the fence.
 

Wanderer

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Cmon thats not what was publicly said or what they all campaigned on was it.
Pulling that card now is almost as rich as MPs trying to block us leaving under no deal so that they negotiate another deal with Europe that they can campaign against in a referendum.
Oh hang on:argue1:
What it says though, quite plainly and at the time of the referendum.

We all know referendums are not binding in UK (well, I did!) but it's interesting to note there's no time limit on implementation of the result in any case.

If people campaigned on the wrong agenda, that's their fault, the document is there, dated 3rd June 2015 (my birthday!) so if they missed it, tough titty!
 

MaserCoupe

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So the adverts by our current government are telling us to “Get prepared for Brexit”.......Ok why? Ok how? Ok What should I be preparing for? What do we need to do in preparation. Can you give me a hint please........Can you give me more info and details for clarity please otherwise how can I prepare for what I don’t know. :D

How can we have gone from “this will be the easiest deal in history”, “we can have our cake and eat it” and “we hold all the cards”, to “there will be bumps in the road”, stockpiling in warehouses, to Experts commissioned by the government for impact assessments for Yellowhammer, being then simultaneously maligned by the same government when challenged on their findings. Welcome to Bonkers Brexit Britain. Please have a wonderful stay.. :D
 

MaserCoupe

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What it says though, quite plainly and at the time of the referendum.

We all know referendums are not binding in UK (well, I did!) but it's interesting to note there's no time limit on implementation of the result in any case.

If people campaigned on the wrong agenda, that's their fault, the document is there, dated 3rd June 2015 (my birthday!) so if they missed it, tough titty!
Did someone say titties!!!!:p
 

MaserCoupe

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I'm sorry, but I must object to this comment; the correct punctuation should be a question mark, not exclamation marks! :mad:

PH
The right honourable gentleman in the sedentary position is quite correct. However in my defence I wasn’t wearing my glasses and the iPhone keyboard is somewhat small with the question mark & the exclamation mark keys, being side by side. I do hope the right honourable gentleman hasn’t blown a head gasket in the process and can now happily get on with the rest of his day. I do hope my humble address has restored the balance and brought him the restitution he has sought. :D However someone did say something about titties though! Didn’t they?:D
 

Wattie

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So the adverts by our current government are telling us to “Get prepared for Brexit”.......Ok why? Ok how? Ok What should I be preparing for? What do we need to do in preparation. Can you give me a hint please........Can you give me more info and details for clarity please otherwise how can I prepare for what I don’t know. :D

How can we have gone from “this will be the easiest deal in history”, “we can have our cake and eat it” and “we hold all the cards”, to “there will be bumps in the road”, stockpiling in warehouses, to Experts commissioned by the government for impact assessments for Yellowhammer, being then simultaneously maligned by the same government when challenged on their findings. Welcome to Bonkers Brexit Britain. Please have a wonderful stay.. :D
Some very good questions all of which should be asked to T.reason May as she had over 700 odd days to prepare the country for the possibility that she repeated 109 times, yet did nothing.
Hardly surprising that with so little days left till a deadline a lot are unprepared.
 

Wattie

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What it says though, quite plainly and at the time of the referendum.

We all know referendums are not binding in UK (well, I did!) but it's interesting to note there's no time limit on implementation of the result in any case.

If people campaigned on the wrong agenda, that's their fault, the document is there, dated 3rd June 2015 (my birthday!) so if they missed it, tough titty!
Incorrect, A50 set everything in motion and imposed a time limit.
You’re now campaigning “on the wrong agenda”.
 

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Brexit never looked like a good idea against the status quo. But against being tied to a failing superstate that we were paying for, and would be forced to pay even more for, then it makes sense.

I want to be well clear when there’s a tax union, a banking union, and a requirement to bail out Italy again, Greece yet again, Spain again, and Turkey.
 

Phil H

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The right honourable gentleman in the sedentary position is quite correct. However in my defence I wasn’t wearing my glasses and the iPhone keyboard is somewhat small with the question mark & the exclamation mark keys, being side by side. I do hope the right honourable gentleman hasn’t blown a head gasket in the process and can now happily get on with the rest of his day. I do hope my humble address has restored the balance and brought him the restitution he has sought. :D However someone did say something about titties though! Didn’t they?:D
iPhone, what's that then?

PH
 

Wattie

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Brexit never looked like a good idea against the status quo. But against being tied to a failing superstate that we were paying for, and would be forced to pay even more for, then it makes sense.

I want to be well clear when there’s a tax union, a banking union, and a requirement to bail out Italy again, Greece yet again, Spain again, and Turkey.
ECB about to start even more Ponzi tomorrow.....rate cuts, QE and possible stock buying all on the cards.
Didn’t work before, let’s pretend it’ll work this time.......more goalpost moving.

EU begins rethinking fiscal rules as economy slows
The European Union is bracing for a review of its strict fiscal rules as the bloc's economy slows, while monetary stimulus is seen as being close to its limits, according to an EU document and officials.

Read in Reuters: https://apple.news/AxWoNDq_JRRWWislsFX9oDg
 
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Zep

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Brexit never looked like a good idea against the status quo. But against being tied to a failing superstate that we were paying for, and would be forced to pay even more for, then it makes sense.

I want to be well clear when there’s a tax union, a banking union, and a requirement to bail out Italy again, Greece yet again, Spain again, and Turkey.
Remind me, when was Italy bailed out?
 

Wattie

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Remind me, when was Italy bailed out?
On a constant basis Zep...the Ecb is buying Italian bonds.....like its buying everyone else who's bust bonds!
Thats my point, they've done all this, achieved nothing and now they're changing all their own rules to go out and do it all again....to keep all these bankrupt countries afloat! The trouble is some are now doubting its effectiveness....so what on earth have they got left when the credibility is gone!

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2017-11-08/italy-can-t-keep-relying-on-draghi-until-the-end-of-time

Unless of course you do something the EU doesnt like cos it then stops said purchases as a threat to destabilise


The situation is so bad nowadays that you cannot have a normal business cycle of growth/recession. everything has become too big to fail. Europe is totally reliant on ECB money out of thin air.......it now over 40% of EU GDP!

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Zep

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On a constant basis Zep...the Ecb is buying Italian bonds.....like its buying everyone else who's bust bonds!
Thats my point, they've done all this, achieved nothing and now they're changing all their own rules to go out and do it all again....to keep all these bankrupt countries afloat! The trouble is some are now doubting its effectiveness....so what on earth have they got left when the credibility is gone!

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2017-11-08/italy-can-t-keep-relying-on-draghi-until-the-end-of-time

Unless of course you do something the EU doesnt like cos it then stops said purchases as a threat to destabilise


The situation is so bad nowadays that you cannot have a normal business cycle of growth/recession. everything has become too big to fail. Europe is totally reliant on ECB money out of thin air.
Link 1 is about the entire eurozone.

Link 2 is an opinion piece - you can tell this because it says so at the top.

Link 3 is an FT article about Italy’s populist government (you know, those anti European types who are aligned politically with the likes of the Brexit party in the U.K.) being unhappy that the ECB were scaling back QE for the whole of the Eurozone.

Link 4 is from 2011, and relates to political pressure from the EU on to the Italian PM to reduce government debt. A government debt that has been relatively high in comparison to some since the 80s. But as usually makes not mention of very low personal debt.

Do you have a link that says “Italy bailed out by EU” I will even accept “Italy bailed out by IMF”. Perhaps “Italian government asks for emergency loan”. Something like that?
 

Wattie

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Do you have a link that says “Italy bailed out by EU” I will even accept “Italy bailed out by IMF”. Perhaps “Italian government asks for emergency loan”. Something like that?
Of course there's no headlines like that...what would that do to markets, bond yields etc!!
But that is exactly what is happening....stealth bailouts.




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I seem to remember the Greek bailout was reported as such. So a bailout in your opinion.

Got it, thanks :thumb3:
It’s not just my opinion..,if the ECB stops stealth bailouts via “QE” the whole thing will go boom very quickly.
Anyway, are u referring to the first, second of third Greek bailouts thatvwere gonna solve the problem, perhaps the 4th at some point. I guess this new Qe and rate cuts will solve the problem like the first one did.
 
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