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Well, despite obscure internet links and respecting the opinions of others, I remain perfectly happy to take the vaccine when offered to me.

My personal view, having seen plenty of loss over the last year, is that the risk of the vaccine is far, far less than the risk of the disease.

The views others hold may differ, which I completely respect.
 
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Zep said:
Well, despite obscure internet links and respecting the opinions of others, I remain perfectly happy to take the vaccine when offered to me.

My personal view, having seen plenty of loss over the last year, is that the risk of the vaccine is far, far less than the risk of the disease.

The views others hold may differ, which I completely respect.
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So what is the risk of dying with the disease?

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2.3%!!!!!!!

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3.6%!!!!

Wouldn’t you play odds of over 96% upside in a casino?
 
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lifes2short said:
it's quite a dilemma, my parents are in their 80's and my farther had a quad heart bypass and valve early this year, if the side effects are as harsh as they say, will it not cause further issues for the elderly with underlying health issues, surely there must be some medical screening to see whether some of the elderly would be put at risk with such side effects
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As someone in the critically vulnerable group, this a question that was debated with my consultant yesterday. Immunosuppression of overactive autoimmune system is my condition. Particularly relevant is the characteristic of ZCORVirus 19 is that the autoimmune system can overreact in certain patients by beginning to attack the cells it's trying to defend. In other words, it makes the autoimmune system overactive. I'm already overactive.
She also had this conversation with her aged infirm parents. The advice was the same
As someone who reacts badly to the annual flu jab and has decided that avoid it this year, consultant who ditto reacts adversely (dead virus) we both decided that on balance: don't take it, catch it and die
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Take it and suffer.
As she declared 'bo££ocks, no brainer'.
(My type of consultant)
Do it. If I will, just advise anyone to just £ucking do it
 
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lifes2short said:
well that makes for some disturbing reading if all true,
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Yup.
A lot of people stand to make a lot of money over this. It’s not in their interests to down play the disease.

You can see this affect with the disparity of views over the safety of the Uk release by the Americans. You’d think they’d be jubilant, but oh no....questions on the shortcuts and procedures followed are all expressed to down play the launch and the headstart.

The facts are- 96% + worldwide have so far survived this and no vaccine manufacturer has proved theirs makes a dramatic difference, short, medium or long term- or that they are safe long term.

However, they all want immunity from liability.

www.sciencemag.org

‘Malicious and misconceived.' Indian vaccine producer hits back at complaint from trial volunteer

Serum Institute of India rejects link between its vaccine and neurological symptoms—but declines to provide details
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I guess I am less.likely to accept medical assistance than some as I'm not a fan of popping pills in some or every situation. People take paracetamol for headaches and loads of pills for all sorts. I tend not to preferring my body to naturally defend virus, bacteria and issues. I've done OK to date.

Of course if I had a serious illness then medication and treatment is clearly an advised option that I would take up.

I just don't I have seen enough reliable believable data to take a risk on a barely tried and tested vaccine. In this regard I feel the risks are higher than the rewards. If the virus was worse, deadly or an immediate threat to my life I think I would feel differently. From the information I have seen, this is not the case so my thoughts are in accordance with this.

It is so hard to pick through the lies and agenda's that seem to exist in our modern world these days and this situation is no different. Money and greed skew so much and I don't feel we see enough solid reliable truthful data or information to be able to make good solid informed decisions.

I respect all opinions and can see it from both sides. No right or wrong just opinion and individual thoughts. I don't think someone should be forced to make such an important decision and we should respect their opinion, thoughts and wishes either way.
 
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Tell that to the 1.5m dead. My guess, if they had had the option, many might have chosen to take their chances too. Shows how wrong you can be

Talking of which, strange how you’ve gone from spreading panic about how many will die and how the world needs to shut up shop, to.....it’s an acceptable risk even for those at high risk
 
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Wattie said:
Bit like the virus then.
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I know of 4 people who have died of Covid. A colleague of mine was in a coma for 6 weeks, and woke up to be told he passed it to his mother who died while he was under.

I know around 4 further people who have been hospitalised.

I try to put myself in first situation, where I survive but kill one of my parents and the decision is a pretty simple one.

I don’t say this because I want to persuade you Wattie, but for balance. For every internet link picking holes in the development of the vaccine, there are real people having real, heart rending, experiences. Everyone has to make a personal choice.

You can either get busy dying, or get busy living. I choose life, for as many people as I can, even if it is at a small personal risk to me.
 
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Zep said:
I know of 4 people who have died of Covid. A colleague of mine was in a coma for 6 weeks, and woke up to be told he passed it to his mother who died while he was under.

I know around 4 further people who have been hospitalised.

I try to put myself in first situation, where I survive but kill one of my parents and the decision is a pretty simple one.

I don’t say this because I want to persuade you Wattie, but for balance. For every internet link picking holes in the development of the vaccine, there are real people having real, heart rending, experiences. Everyone has to make a personal choice.

You can either get busy dying, or get busy living. I choose life, for as many people as I can, even if it is at a small personal risk to me.
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Zep that’s very sad and I understand your and others point of view who have witnessed the sad end of this situation.
I choose living, like you do, but the facts are the majority will live through this scenario - without a vaccine.
Life’s lottery determines who.
I’m sorry to hear you’ve been badly impacted by it and hope that the situation improves for you and all those close to you.
 
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Zep that’s very sad and I understand your and others point of view who have witnessed the sad end of this situation.
I choose living, like you do, but the facts are the majority will live through this scenario - without a vaccine.
Life’s lottery determines who.
I’m sorry to hear you’ve been badly impacted by it and hope that the situation improves for you and all those close to you.
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I appreciate that.

I don’t disagree that the risk from the virus is not huge, but I see it as playing Russian roulette with a gun which has 100 barrels and 2 or 3 bullets. You are probably going to be ok, but the consequences if you aren’t are huge. If the vaccine means that the gun has 100 more barrels and the same number of bullets, I’ll take that.
 
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A doctor friend who's quite informed about it all would happily be first in the queue. Ask zoe - Tim spector, et al - is having another talk about the vaccine next Wednesday which will, as before, probably be posted in facebook,.
 
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Zep said:
I appreciate that.

I don’t disagree that the risk from the virus is not huge, but I see it as playing Russian roulette with a gun which has 100 barrels and 2 or 3 bullets. You are probably going to be ok, but the consequences if you aren’t are huge. If the vaccine means that the gun has 100 more barrels and the same number of bullets, I’ll take that.
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That’s fair enough with your scenario......facts are it hasn’t been proven. Just claimed.
The flip side is that the actions that governments are taking to preserve the minority, is destroying infinitely more “live’s” than those that are lost. Millions and millions globally are losing jobs, losing treatment to their illnesses or facing losing everything as debt mounts plunging far more families and children into poverty for many years.

Unfortunately, the actions of governments over the years has eroded trust- perhaps when they need it most.
 
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