Are you worried yet.

[GTVGEOFF]

It has been said on here that we all have to look after ourselves and take our own precautions where the virus is concerned. I guess it's the same with the vaccine.
I had made up my mind to have the jab, then reading posts on here began to wonder if I should hold back.
One of my best mate's works for a large bio tech company, he cultures viruses for animal disease's. He is fifty eight and I asked him if he will be having the jab and what he thought the risks are. He answered by saying all vaccine's are inherently safe and he will not hesitate to have it, I asked which one of the companies making it would be his ideal choice, any and all was his answer. I then ask if he had discussed it with his colleagues and what there views were, he replied it had been discussed with colleagues here and abroad and to a man they were all going to have it. He then said mate get it at your first opportunity.
This is a guy I have huge respect for and if I was in a tight spot I know I would want beside me.
Yes they are giving it to the eldest and frail first, I didn't think they would risk the fallout from that if they started developing bad side affects or dieing,
They wouldn't be making much money then! Their reputation would be shot
I have the flu jab every year and I haven't had flu either.

 

[safrane]

Ill take it, if only to help this thread end and stop lockdown.

 

[Wattie]

Tell that to the 1.5m dead. My guess, if they had had the option, many might have chosen to take their chances too. Shows how wrong you can be

Talking of which, strange how you’ve gone from spreading panic about how many will die and how the world needs to shut up shop, to.....it’s an acceptable risk even for those at high risk

Your memories not that good is it.
At the outset I warned how dangerous this was, the science was unknown. Prepare accordingly, knowledge keeps you safe.
Clearly over time the science and the statistics tell the full story.....so you adapt to the science.
That’s called learning, experience, nous.
Look at the stats, 9 months later, It isn’t that deadly, the treatments have improved (from not knowing what to do)
and there’s nothing strange about moving with the facts.

If many of the dead had worn what I was wearing at the outset, or taken as much time to understand the scenario, they might still be alive.....trouble was their Govts downplayed the risk,invited it in (when I said close the doors) and they went about things totally unprepared (like their fecking health systems)......mixing, seeing relatives etc etc.

End result, inevitable.

All the things my family, extended family and I weren’t doing as we were prepared.

 

[lifes2short]

trouble was their Govts downplayed the risk,invited it in (when I said close the doors) and they went about things totally unprepared (like their fecking health systems)......mixing, seeing relatives etc etc.

good point, for instance, most other governments put in place strict checks at airports and/or banned incoming visitors very early on, the UK did feck all and simply allowed thousand in without any control, one personal experience was that my daughter travelled to France couple of months back when it was fine, whilst out there France was put on the UK list and with the usual things in place when flying back regarding giving info/address and self isolation etc, she got no forms to fill out, either on plane or airport and was simply allowed to stroll straight through the airport when back in the UK,luckily she knew she had to follow the self isolation rules and we made sure she stayed home, my point is that how many slipped through like this, with absolutely no checks and who didn't follow the rules to self isolate, said it before, its all a load of lip service from the politicians/government

 

[CatmanV2]

He answered by saying all vaccine's

Butbutbut the 5Gs! Bill Gates! Microchips!

Good man

C

 

[CatmanV2]

good point, for instance, most other governments put in place strict checks at airports and/or banned incoming visitors very early on, the UK did feck all and simply allowed thousand in without any control,

If, for the sake of argument, there are 10000 people in the UK already with CV, what's the point in stopping another couple of hundred? I have no idea what the actual numbers were, but I rather suspect no one else on this thread does, either

luckily she knew she had to follow the self isolation rules and we made sure she stayed home,

Well everybody knew the rules. We also know they were (like all UK laws) pretty much un-enforceable since our police police by consent.

Not sure if these other actions would have made any difference to someone that's not going to follow the rules anyway

Remember all the BS posts about not being a **** and shopping your neighbour for having a party?

C

 

[lifes2short]

If, for the sake of argument, there are 10000 people in the UK already with CV, what's the point in stopping another couple of hundred? I have no idea what the actual numbers were, but I rather suspect no one else on this thread does, either



Well everybody knew the rules. We also know they were (like all UK laws) pretty much un-enforceable since our police police by consent.

Not sure if these other actions would have made any difference to someone that's not going to follow the rules anyway

Remember all the BS posts about not being a **** and shopping your neighbour for having a party?

C

i could be wrong and normally am, but didn't the uk airports trade as normal for a quite fair while allowing 10's of thousands in without any checks when other countries had something in place pretty swiftly ?

my point was that government gives the impression that they implement things when in fact it's nonsense in some cases, not all, i remember a news crew in one of the uk airports shortly after the government introducing self isolation rules interviewing a bloke that had just flown back and should have gone in to self isolation and he knew f all about it

 

[CatmanV2]

i could be wrong and normally am, but didn't the uk airports trade as normal for a quite fair while allowing 10's of thousands in without any checks when other countries had something in place pretty swiftly ?

No I think you're correct in that. But that doesn't answer the query about 'if the virus is already rife in the country, what difference does allowing a few more cases in make?' Without accurate numbers, I don't think anyone can tell (although many will shout), and, of course, there are no accurate numbers....

C

my point was that government gives the impression that they implement things when in fact it's nonsense in some cases,

Certainly I have found the logic behind some of the rules and actions curious at best. Downright perverse at worse.

Don't play Monopoly? Don't let Gran clear the table if you want to see her next Christmas?

Back of a napkin calculation indicates there's around 60% likelihood that one of our parents won't make it to Christmas 2021 full stop. Never mind the existence of COVID.
That same calculation leads me to think there is about a 0.09% chance of one of them catching and dying of COVID as a result of Christmas dinner round ours. (And that's based on a 100% chance of them catching it from an infected person, so effectively a multigenerational COVID exchange fest (I was going to write something else, but felt a little sick) Which it won't be. So the actual chance is going to be somewhat lower than that

Now how logical are these blanket injunctions?

C

 

[Rwc13]

Your memories not that good is it.
At the outset I warned how dangerous this was, the science was unknown. Prepare accordingly, knowledge keeps you safe.
Clearly over time the science and the statistics tell the full story.....so you adapt to the science.
That’s called learning, experience, nous.
Look at the stats, 9 months later, It isn’t that deadly, the treatments have improved (from not knowing what to do)
and there’s nothing strange about moving with the facts.

If many of the dead had worn what I was wearing at the outset, or taken as much time to understand the scenario, they might still be alive.....trouble was their Govts downplayed the risk,invited it in (when I said close the doors) and they went about things totally unprepared (like their fecking health systems)......mixing, seeing relatives etc etc.

End result, inevitable.

All the things my family, extended family and I weren’t doing as we were prepared.

Oh Wattie, you do make me laugh. Nothing wrong with my memory of your starting point as your explanation above shows. Why can’t you just say you like many panicked, enjoyed spreading fear and conspiracy theories, but got it wrong. Yes learning is good, but the starting point of the learning process doesn’t always need to involve peeing your pants at every threat.

 

[CatmanV2]

Oh Wattie, you do make me laugh. Nothing wrong with my memory of your starting point as your explanation above shows. Why can’t you just say you like many panicked, enjoyed spreading fear and conspiracy theories, but got it wrong. Yes learning is good, but the starting point of the learning process doesn’t always need to involve peeing your pants at every threat.

But it's so much more rewarding being right when all the sheeple are wrong. Even when you're not. Right that is.

And, of course, per the old saw: 'Misery loves company'

C

 

[lifes2short]

No I think you're correct in that. But that doesn't answer the query about 'if the virus is already rife in the country, what difference does allowing a few more cases in make?' Without accurate numbers, I don't think anyone can tell (although many will shout), and, of course, there are no accurate numbers....

C


Certainly I have found the logic behind some of the rules and actions curious at best. Downright perverse at worse.

Don't play Monopoly? Don't let Gran clear the table if you want to see her next Christmas?

Back of a napkin calculation indicates there's around 60% likelihood that one of our parents won't make it to Christmas 2021 full stop. Never mind the existence of COVID.
That same calculation leads me to think there is about a 0.09% chance of one of them catching and dying of COVID as a result of Christmas dinner round ours. (And that's based on a 100% chance of them catching it from an infected person, so effectively a multigenerational COVID exchange fest (I was going to write something else, but felt a little sick) Which it won't be. So the actual chance is going to be somewhat lower than that

Now how logical are these blanket injunctions?

C

who knows, i'm on the fence really with all the opinions and can only hope that next year isn't going to turn out as bad as this one.
Not entirely sure whether we are going to get my parents and outlaws over to ours this year as it's a real worry for them and us trying to keep them at a distance

 

[Wattie]

Oh Wattie, you do make me laugh. Nothing wrong with my memory of your starting point as your explanation above shows. Why can’t you just say you like many panicked, enjoyed spreading fear and conspiracy theories, but got it wrong. Yes learning is good, but the starting point of the learning process doesn’t always need to involve peeing your pants at every threat.

So according to u,
The fact that I suggested at the outset that We all Take precautions against an unknown threat, in countries beyond our own, and encouraged others to do so including prepare (before many others panicked) which many on here thought was ridiculous -was the irresponsible thing to do.

Funny, cos history (yup 9 months later) tells us that millions died because their Governments ignored or downplayed the same threats that were so blatantly obvious that an idiot like me saw coming, that u and many others slagged me off for.
U make me laugh cos your paying psychiatrist fees and clearly ain’t getting any help

 

[Wattie]

But it's so much more rewarding being right when all the sheeple are wrong. Even when you're not. Right that is.

And, of course, per the old saw: 'Misery loves company'

C

Feck off C*ntman. U question every post that’s made on this forum

Don’t forget the wine.

 

[Rwc13]

Taking precautions is fine my friend, but panicking and spreading misinformation on the basis of doomsday scenarios like a 6 year old girl spreading gossip in the playground is a different thing.

And they do say those that believe they don’t need a psychiatrist would probably benefit from one the most. Incidentally, I was seeing one when I was trying to come to terms with lifelong disability as a result of medical negligence - all paid for by insurance.....didn’t cost me a penny But it was a positive experience for lots of reasons recognising we all need a little help occasionally

 

[Wattie]

Taking precautions is fine my friend, but panicking and spreading misinformation on the basis of doomsday scenarios like a 6 year old girl spreading gossip in the playground is a different thing.

And they do say those that believe they don’t need a psychiatrist would probably benefit from one the most. Incidentally, I was seeing one when I was trying to come to terms with lifelong disability as a result of medical negligence - all paid for by insurance.....didn’t cost me a penny But it was a positive experience for lots of reasons recognising we all need a little help occasionally

You’re not my friend, don’t flatter yourself.

 

[Scaf]

Sadly my colleagues worked at the end of the front line if you get my drift, so have seen the real world affect of this virus. They could all write books on the literally hundreds of stories of the impact on lives that they have heard and seen first hand.

This virus has killed the brave the stupid as well as the old and infirm and is still doing so.

I will be having the jab when and if it’s offered.

 

[Wattie]

Sadly my colleagues worked at the end of the front line if you get my drift, so have seen the real world affect of this virus. They could all write books on the literally hundreds of stories of the impact on lives that they have heard and seen first hand.

This virus has killed the brave the stupid as well as the old and infirm and is still doing so.

I will be having the jab when and if it’s offered.

That’s sad but only the really Ill end up in hospital, which is what it is for.
They might have seen a thousand patients......but that was a drop in the ocean compared to those that tested +ve.

 

[lifes2short]

Feck off C*ntman. U question every post that’s made on this forum

Don’t forget the wine.

wattie, whilst i find it interesting what you and everyone else posts on here, can you just chill, it's just a car forum and it's all just banter with some serious discussions in between

 

[Wattie]

wattie, whilst i find it interesting what you and everyone else posts on here, can you just chill, it's just a car forum and it's all just banter with some serious discussions in between

L2S, I agree but
I’ve been on the receiving end of snide posts for a long, long time. I’m just sticking up for me.
I’ll ignore what’s going down but if the usual one or two wanna play, I’ll give them it back and I won’t mess around.
They know Who they are.

 

[lifes2short]

L2S, I agree but
I’ve been on the receiving end of snide posts for a long, long time. I’m just sticking up for me.
I’ll ignore what’s going down but if the usual one or two wanna play, I’ll give them it back and I won’t mess around.
They know Who they are.

always going to be clash of opinions/personalities on forums, you need a thicker skin like myself and just let it blow over you, there's far more important things to worry about in life than forum members getting under your skin like that, go have a few drinks and chillout, seems you have a beautiful family and a great life down under, why get stressed like this