Are you worried yet.

[Phil H]

No he won’t ‘cause we’ll have our own British Santa. He’ll be called Uncle Brian, based in Slough with manufacturing in the Midlands and North East.

Aha, now I see a cunning plan; the sleigh will be called HS2?

PH

 

[Saigon]

To the OP; the only thing I’m worried about is the sanity of the t0ssers making up the rules. It’s about time they just said “f*ck it, crack on and look after yourselves in the way you prefer”.

From the OP; I am definitely not over worried, but worried enough to be careful and hopefully make the correct decisions which will mitigate the effect of Covid on me and mine (Or others). For example, last month the wife and I decided we would like a couple of weeks in Spain, so we went, even though there was a risk. The worst part was the two weeks quarantine when we came back, but no problem we did it, that’s what we wanted to do. But, I wouldn’t do the same thing tomorrow, why not ? Because I would be worried due to the deteriorating circumstances in Spain right now. It all depends on how you define worried. Covid doesn’t keep me awake at night, but I’m worried enough to be both sensible and careful.

 

[BennyD]

From the OP; I am definitely not over worried, but worried enough to be careful and hopefully make the correct decisions which will mitigate the effect of Covid on me and mine (Or others). For example, last month the wife and I decided we would like a couple of weeks in Spain, so we went, even though there was a risk. The worst part was the two weeks quarantine when we came back, but no problem we did it, that’s what we wanted to do. But, I wouldn’t do the same thing tomorrow, why not ? Because I would be worried due to the deteriorating circumstances in Spain right now. It all depends on how you define worried. Covid doesn’t keep me awake at night, but I’m worried enough to be both sensible and careful.

Exactly right, and that’s what we should all be doing; looking after ourselves in the best way we think fit. Your approach is more measured than mine but that’s fine, I do what I am comfortable with, so do you and so should everyone. That way, those that want to get out and about can do and those that don’t can stay at home, it really isn’t rocket science. Unfortunately, those making the decisions aren’t affected by the threat of unemployment, furlough or pay cuts so they don’t give a dead rat’s a55 about those that are.

 

[Wattie]

 

[Swedish Paul]

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Just a shame if you, a member of your family or a friend fall into one of the 0.0142%. And of course, there are what, 7 billion people now. A pointless comparison.

 

[Wattie]

It’s tragic.
What’s also tragic is the erosion of your liberties (no sock buying), freedoms, dreams, aspirations, jobs, financial security and simple family contact and the love associated with it - all for a “virus” that doesn’t look like it’s going anywhere, anytime soon.

40million plus around the world......and growing daily. It’s going to be around for years and years.

Sure, it kills and debilitates.
So do many other diseases, ailments and activities.

A single vaccine is unlikely to remedy this (too many strains around) and besides, it’s been factually established that antibodies to it fade over time.
You gonna get vaccinated every 2-3 months?

I’m in the camp that everyone has the ability to protect their own safety- Governments haven’t made a very good job of telling people how to do it, in fact, their actions have angered and frustrated.

No two week lock down or any other short term tier plan is going to eradicate this.

 

[sionie1]

So Wales entered its 2 week Circuit/Fire break today. Head cockwomble Mark Drakeford came up with a great idea to protect smaller business forced to close by his lockdown. The idea is to make sure supermarkets only sell essential products... food but not clothing, bedding and some other items. When challenged his reply was they can be ordered online. They can, from huge mega companies and In the meantime the welsh government will seek money to assist those businesses forced to close. I’m really struggling with the logic in this just as I’m struggling to understand the logic of the numbers we are being told, which are frequently challenged using the NHS’s own data. Also as an aside books are non essential apparently, something I’m shocked by , perhaps I’m old fashioned but books should never ever ever be on a list of things that should be unavailable to buy in a shop. Ever. That’s a small step to a whole different country isn‘t it? Or am I being grumpy as my Mrs keeps telling me.

edit. The welsh government hasn’t provided a definitive list to retailers , instead saying they should exercise common sense ( something the Senedd see incapable of)... so my point about books remains but now applies to retailers, have they followed advice or got an illiterate monkey to throw darts at a dartboard with different products on it... the world now has truly gone mad..

 

[safrane]

Funny you mention books.

The government recently relented on the law preventing books being posted to prisoners as they were deemed as being essential to their well being... yet now you are told to stay at home in your domestic 'prison' they are again seen as non essential.

Even during the ban prisoners could access the library !

 

[philw696]

Well it's certainly taking off here in France with over 40,000 new cases yesterday and the most deaths we have seen in a while.
The authorities are taking the non mask wearing seriously too with a lot of €135 fines being dished out.
Certainly the time to be careful.

 

[doodlebug]

A single vaccine is unlikely to remedy this (too many strains around) and besides, it’s been factually established that antibodies to it fade over time.
You gonna get vaccinated every 2-3 months?

While it may be true about the poor longevity of antibodies, memory T cells help the immune system recognize and respond to viruses that it’s already encountered before. After viral infection, a small population of long-lived memory T cells remain within the previously infected tissue and continue to circulate throughout the body. These memory cells have the potential to rapidly reactivate upon seeing the virus again, which could help make the second infection less severe than the first.

Early research has found that people who’ve recovered from COVID-19 do carry SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells and at least six studies have reported T cell reactivity against SARS-CoV-2 in 20% to 50% of people with no known exposure to the virus.

 

[CatmanV2]

While it may be true about the poor longevity of antibodies, memory T cells help the immune system recognize and respond to viruses that it’s already encountered before. After viral infection, a small population of long-lived memory T cells remain within the previously infected tissue and continue to circulate throughout the body. These memory cells have the potential to rapidly reactivate upon seeing the virus again, which could help make the second infection less severe than the first.

Early research has found that people who’ve recovered from COVID-19 do carry SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells and at least six studies have reported T cell reactivity against SARS-CoV-2 in 20% to 50% of people with no known exposure to the virus.

And we still see very very low numbers of re-infections.

Wales seems absolutely bonkers

C

 

[Wattie]

While it may be true about the poor longevity of antibodies, memory T cells help the immune system recognize and respond to viruses that it’s already encountered before. After viral infection, a small population of long-lived memory T cells remain within the previously infected tissue and continue to circulate throughout the body. These memory cells have the potential to rapidly reactivate upon seeing the virus again, which could help make the second infection less severe than the first.

Early research has found that people who’ve recovered from COVID-19 do carry SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells and at least six studies have reported T cell reactivity against SARS-CoV-2 in 20% to 50% of people with no known exposure to the virus.

That’s well copied from somewhere.
Itcertianly wasn’t you saying this.

I’ll pass on a vaccine even tho I’m now in the highest vulnerable group.
My choice.
If you’re vaccinated,
I’m no risk.
You’re protected.

 

[doodlebug]

That’s well copied from somewhere.
It certainly wasn’t you saying this.

I’ll pass on a vaccine even tho I’m now in the highest vulnerable group.
My choice.
If you’re vaccinated,
I’m no risk.
You’re protected.

You're right, it was copied from several sources.

I have been extensively involved in trying to fix this virus with developing two major best-selling products for both the detection of the virus and the treatment of its victims.

What have you done, apart from your usual scaremongering?

 

[Wattie]

Well it's certainly taking off here in France with over 40,000 new cases yesterday and the most deaths we have seen in a while.
The authorities are taking the non mask wearing seriously too with a lot of €135 fines being dished out.
Certainly the time to be careful.

You and mrs French take care mate x

 

[MarkMas]

That’s well copied from somewhere.
Itcertianly wasn’t you saying this.
......

Yes, well copied from a description by Stuart P. Weisberg, MD, PhD, Assistant Professor of Pathology & Cell Biology at Columbia University Irving Medical Center. Shame on @doodlebug for quoting a medical professional when describing how the immune system works, rather than just making something up out of his own imagination or quoting a headline from the Metro. That will get him banned from the thread for sure!

I'll get my coat.....

 

[Wattie]

You're right, it was copied from several sources.

I have been extensively involved in trying to fix this virus with developing two major best-selling products for both the detection of the virus and the treatment of its victims.

What have you done, apart from your usual scaremongering?

So you’ve been “trying to fix this virus “ via two best selling products ........
Really, name em and the share tags cos we’ve been on this for months........I’d suggest you name them and that yours are unlikely to fix this virus.

Scaremongering?
what have I done?
Posted more than u for a start.
And apparently you have a cure.

 

[sionie1]

Funny you mention books.

The government recently relented on the law preventing books being posted to prisoners as they were deemed as being essential to their well being... yet now you are told to stay at home in your domestic 'prison' they are again seen as non essential.

Even during the ban prisoners could access the library !

perhaps the answer for me is to charge across the border, flicking the v’s, get arrested , and then I’ll have the books I want..

 

[Delmonte]

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As most of these are from diseases from a very long time ago, some of them ancient times, when life was cheap,there was no expectation of a long life, I’d ignore most of them.
But the one that stands out for me is Hong Kong flu as this was almost in my lifetime and wha you might call modern times. I’ve been banging on about this for a while, but HK flu killed 20000 in its worst week, in Britain. In 1969. From a smaller UK population than now. Which is way worse than the worst week here back in the first peak of Covid, and over 2000% worse than where we are now. There was no cover up, it was mentioned in the papers, TV, people were warned there was a bad strain of flu that year. There were a lot of people off work Ill, and trains, buses, the post ran a bit late due to staff being off sick, and that was about the most noticeable thing for your average Joe.
But there was never even the slightest consideration of any lockdown, any removal of civil liberties, forced closing down of businesses, ruining people’s lives.
We keep getting told we are living in unprecedented times. We are not. HK flu is your modern precedent. What is unprecedented is the reaction to it, media saturation of bad news, a demand the state protects everyone from something it cannot protect from, the tyranny of ‘something must be done’, (even if that something is the destruction of society). That latter might seem OTT but I feel rather strongly about it...

 

[rockits]

I agree like many that the sledgehammer has been used in the main to crack the proverbial walnut. It seems to be the modern way to wildly over exaggerate pretty much everything and over react accordingly. Often led by media fury into everything and anything.

The media have been breaking down people's civil liberties for years. Even people themselves on various social media platforms have been eroding their own civil liberties consciously and under their own steam. That of course is someone's right and choice. We should have a choice in most of what we do. Currently much of this is being taken away from us and I do have an issue with this.

Many things need to change and will.....for the better.....I doubt it for most. Irresponsible media reporting has a lot to answer for.

 

[CatmanV2]

You're right, it was copied from several sources.

I have been extensively involved in trying to fix this virus with developing two major best-selling products for both the detection of the virus and the treatment of its victims.

What have you done, apart from your usual scaremongering?

Bloody good job sir, but make sure you're not opressing the voice of truth

C