Nice, mate has a Jeanneau Sun Odyssey, it's a tad unfer 50 ft I think but they seem to have a wider model range than the 911 for something that looks just the same as the next one in the range. They don't seem to depreciate much though so a relatively safe place to park some cash.
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I'll happily defer to Ewan, as I've never set foot on a 'deck saloon' boat. Obviously I'm prone to a bit of hyperbole at night. That said, I doubt that I'd ever be happy taking that design into high winds and big waves. Which rules out an awful lot of ocean.
Jeanneaus would be well regarded sailboats. In all respects that matter. Two being safety and performance.
At crash points they use or used to add kevlar to the hull. And possibly crash bulkheads as standard or an option. Can't recall. And yes, they tend to retain their value, unless they've been abused.
Last year, I considered what might've been a Sun Odyssey at the 44/45 ft mark roughly. Another party beat me to it.
With hindsight however, I'm happy with my first choice as its over engineered, rather than under.
Plus it survived the 1979 Fastnet with not a scratch, nor injuries / fatalities.
Jeanneaus would be well regarded sailboats. In all respects that matter. Two being safety and performance.
At crash points they use or used to add kevlar to the hull. And possibly crash bulkheads as standard or an option. Can't recall. And yes, they tend to retain their value, unless they've been abused.
Last year, I considered what might've been a Sun Odyssey at the 44/45 ft mark roughly. Another party beat me to it.
With hindsight however, I'm happy with my first choice as its over engineered, rather than under.
Plus it survived the 1979 Fastnet with not a scratch, nor injuries / fatalities.
I respect anyone who can sail a big boat properly. I only get as far as hotel catamarans in warm waters.
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Apparently it's much like sailing small boats. But the accidents are most costly.
The basics are the same.
I was taught to sail by a Thai guy who spoke no English (no jokes) but get me more than half a mile from a nice hotel and I am lost (in a boat).
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Sailing is easy. Big boats, say of around fifty feet, can easily be sailed by one or two competent sailors.
If making long passages across seas or oceans of more than a few days, unless you're young and fit,
its the watch keeping around the clock that wears you down quickly through sleep deprivation / interruption.
This is assuming you have the sails well trimmed, boat nicely balanced and the autopilot switched on as a fall back,
so the boat basically sails itself with no/minor inputs.
Despite radar and ship proximity alarms on ocean going yachts and commercial traffic. Merchant ships don't always maintain a bridge watch. Unless you maintain a watch, you could easily be run down, especially at night and no one might ever know what happened to you. If solo and far from land, you really ought to be up every couple of hours
to check the boat, systems and sea around you. If short handed, watches of six hours on and six hours off may suit the crew. The more competent crew you have, who know when and when not to wake up the captain, the happier the captain is
When I was half my current age, work responsibilities demanded that I sometimes went without sleep for thirty-six hours or more, but I was a zombie at the end of it and close to ineffective.
Being up every two hours and possibly preventing myself from getting into deep sleep, gets hard after a week or so. A fortnight is really pushing it and is not enjoyable.
If making long passages across seas or oceans of more than a few days, unless you're young and fit,
its the watch keeping around the clock that wears you down quickly through sleep deprivation / interruption.
This is assuming you have the sails well trimmed, boat nicely balanced and the autopilot switched on as a fall back,
so the boat basically sails itself with no/minor inputs.
Despite radar and ship proximity alarms on ocean going yachts and commercial traffic. Merchant ships don't always maintain a bridge watch. Unless you maintain a watch, you could easily be run down, especially at night and no one might ever know what happened to you. If solo and far from land, you really ought to be up every couple of hours
to check the boat, systems and sea around you. If short handed, watches of six hours on and six hours off may suit the crew. The more competent crew you have, who know when and when not to wake up the captain, the happier the captain is
When I was half my current age, work responsibilities demanded that I sometimes went without sleep for thirty-six hours or more, but I was a zombie at the end of it and close to ineffective.
Being up every two hours and possibly preventing myself from getting into deep sleep, gets hard after a week or so. A fortnight is really pushing it and is not enjoyable.
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Sailing is easy. Big boats, say of around fifty feet, can easily be sailed by one or two competent sailors.
If making long passages across seas or oceans of more than a few days, unless you're young and fit,
its the watch keeping around the clock that wears you down quickly through sleep deprivation / interruption.
This is assuming you have the sails well trimmed, boat nicely balanced and the autopilot switched on as a fall back,
so the boat basically sails itself with no/minor inputs.
Despite radar and ship proximity alarms on ocean going yachts and commercial traffic. Merchant ships don't always maintain a bridge watch. Unless you maintain a watch, you could easily be run down, especially at night and no one might ever know what happened to you. If solo and far from land, you really ought to be up every couple of hours
to check the boat, systems and sea around you. If short handed, watches of six hours on and six hours off may suit the crew. The more competent crew you have, who know when and when not to wake up the captain, the happier the captain is
When I was half my current age, work responsibilities demanded that I sometimes went without sleep for thirty-six hours or more, but I was a zombie at the end of it and close to ineffective.
Being up every two hours and possibly preventing myself from getting into deep sleep, gets hard after a week or so. A fortnight is really pushing it and is not enjoyable.
This doesn’t sound particularly easy if I am honest. Or within the skill set of your average Bulleye winner for that matter.
I thought you would say, Sailing is easy, it’s arriving where you planned which is tricky.
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You never say when. Its more a case of between this date and this date, depending on the weather.
As to the where. Even that's simple because all you need to do is programme
your autopilot and manage the sails.
What's difficult and especially in the Med in August and especially in ports, is not getting your
boat damaged by &%$£heads, who ought not to be out unsupervised and wearing
oven mittens and a cycling helmet.
As to the where. Even that's simple because all you need to do is programme
your autopilot and manage the sails.
What's difficult and especially in the Med in August and especially in ports, is not getting your
boat damaged by &%$£heads, who ought not to be out unsupervised and wearing
oven mittens and a cycling helmet.
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Do often think about buying a boat, did the speed / powerboat thing when I was much younger, but overall now prefer sail, nothing huge, maybe 30-40ft, do have a thing for Gaff rigged boats but also lots of good memories of time with a Contessa 32 which was a lot of fun!
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Indeed. And its the kind of thing that you can't fake either.
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I know where there are a couple of Contessa 43's and roughly how much the buyers will accept, if you happen to be interested. Quite a few 32's still about. Their owners tended to love them, thus they were well kept and lasted.
If I was sticking to sailing between the west coast of Scotland and France, I'd definitely have a 43 and possibly a 32.
Excellent boats.
Went on a TR club holiday in 2005 to Auxerre. Afternoon out on the River Yonne in a Linssen (Dutch top notch boats). 2days later went back to the port with another couple and bought this 32' Cascaruda steel hulled boat (after a pukka survey). Shared it for 10 years. Great experiences but in summer 35 degrees living in a steel biscuit tin can be wearing. Sold in 2015 so we could go somewhere else on holiday. It cost us about £1500 a year all in.
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To be honest I have too many other things going on at the moment to want to commit to a boat, but I suspect not too far in the future that may change and it would suit us. Always loved the water and sailing be it coastal, or on the lochs or even the Broads which has its own perculier difficulties - can be a little tight in a 36ft gunter rigged cruising yacht on a busy day.
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My first introduction to the Broads was in that wonderful summer of 1980. In some places, it resembled Picadilly Circus in rush hour. Not for anyone with a heart condition
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My first introduction to the Broads was in that wonderful summer of 1980. In some places, it resembled Picadilly Circus in rush hour. Not for anyone with a heart condition
My father used to fly over them in the mid 70s. He reckons you could have walked across most of it.....
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Yes could be very busy, with lots of people of varying ability (power or sail). I first went there as a kid with my parents on a motor cruiser.My first introduction to the Broads was in that wonderful summer of 1980. In some places, it resembled Picadilly Circus in rush hour. Not for anyone with a heart condition
My first job was with a maritime civil engineering company and nearly everyone sailed - company had 1 possibly 2 J class yachts, a few coleagues taught me to sail (together with some RYA courses), they recomended practising on the broads as it was a relatively safe environment, where you could really learn how to handle a boat, wind shadows, tight areas and other traffic, in the end we were pretty much under sale all the time, dropping sails and mast on the go shooting the bridges and then back up and on our way. Sailed quite a few of them over the years although America and Lapwing were probably the biggest and most difficult on the congested small rivers, same class of boat but Lapwing seemed a lot lighter and quicker. (photo from owner not us).
The Caledonian Canal is another good inland waterway to practice on (although strangelt less pubs). Obviusly its a lot more isolated in the sea or crossing the ocean - a friend rowed the Atlantic, i certainly wouldt fancy that!
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not in to boats, but if were it would have to be the miami vice one, looked a real beast, loved seeing that thing flying through the water with crockett and tubs, some great night/dusk footage as far as i remember