Pirelli win again

Ewan

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I'm just about to change all 4 tyres on my 4200, currently shod with Pzero's on the rears and Pilot Sport 3's on the front. Can't decide between Vredstein Ultrac Vortis or Michelin PS4 - the Michelin's cost approx. £100 more in total.

The car is off-road between Nov and Mar/Apr but then again, I'm in Edinburgh so there's still a fair amount of wet driving conditions involved :)

Do you think its worth the extra for the PS4s?
Well, if you asked the test team at EVO, they’d say P Zero, as would Maserati. But if you’re determined to go for second best, I’d go for the Michelins over the Vreds.

P.S. P Zeros were the fastest tyre on the wet track, so ideal for a Scottish summer.
 

Zep

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The correct P Zero tyres for modern Masers have the letters MGT on the side. Maybe some people have inadvertently had the wrong versions. It’s the only reason I can think of for people on here not liking a tyre design that consistently wins group tests of high performance tyres in both wet and dry conditions.

Not sure what tyres Matt and Zep have on their Strads instead of P Zero’s, but you can see from the videos of them leaving Wilton House that they had no grip, even in the dry ;)
I’d just like to confirm, to avoid any doubt, that the low grip moment when leaving Wilton was, particularly if anyone from Wilton Hall is reading, caused by a damp surface and my tyres being rubbish (Michelin Pilot Supersport) and in no way related to hooligan tendencies.

Having said that, I think the Michelin’s are great :thumb3:
 

outrun

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Another tyre thread....

So, Pzero are made in several factories and the location is not required to be stamped on them. The issue is that there is inconsistency between the factories so one can get a nice set that seem great and another can get a seemingly similar set that are no good below 10deg. This is why one person is happy and another thinks they are dangerous. Pirelli, I expect, know exactly what to supply for tyre tests.

If you only use your car in reasonable temperatures or above, Pzero will be fine. If you get it out in winter or if you live in Scotland, you need Michelins or you will not be able to exploit the power without wearing a nappy.

Simples.
 

jemgee

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Another tyre thread....

So, Pzero are made in several factories and the location is not required to be stamped on them. The issue is that there is inconsistency between the factories so one can get a nice set that seem great and another can get a seemingly similar set that are no good below 10deg. This is why one person is happy and another thinks they are dangerous. Pirelli, I expect, know exactly what to supply for tyre tests.

If you only use your car in reasonable temperatures or above, Pzero will be fine. If you get it out in winter or if you live in Scotland, you need Michelins or you will not be able to exploit the power without wearing a nappy.

Simples.
I had a 944 S2 which was fitted with DunlopM2 tyres. When it came time to replace I bought the same tyre from a reputable local dealer. I took the car into my Porsche dealer for its annual sevice some months later. When I went to pick up the car the Service Manager called me in to say he had entered a non compliant warning on the Porsche computerised car record. The reason was the new M2's were made in Japan and Porsche only fitted approved TUV M2's that were made in Germany.
 
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Ewan

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I have Continentals on my 944S2 currently. They seem to cope well enough with the gentle 1000 miles of warm, dry weather driving I subject the car to each year!
 

gentlemanjordan

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Thanks everyone. Mixed weather, colder temps (and the desire not to wear a nappy @outrun) means I've opted for the PS4s and getting them fitted this week. Will report back....
 

jasst

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Spoke to friends today at car show, who drive between them, Porsche, Noble, Aston Martin, Mercedes AMG, and to a man when I suggested Pirelli, got a resounding 'they're sh**' to a man, make of that what you will.
 

jasst

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I've emailed Goodyear to ask if they are going to bring out the asy 5 in 265 30 19 size.
Quick response from Goodyear, they have no plans to offer the asy 5 in 265 30 19, the only tyre they do in that size is the asy 2.
 

JonW

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Quick response from Goodyear, they have no plans to offer the asy 5 in 265 30 19, the only tyre they do in that size is the asy 2.
Michelin PS4S’s it is then... or could you buy Assy2’s for all 4 corners?
 

jasst

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Michelin PS4S’s it is then... or could you buy Assy2’s for all 4 corners?
You can get the assy 2 for all 4 corners, but they are more expensive than the assy 5, and I object to paying more for old tech, looking more like Mich ps4s, or falken FK510 who also cover all sizes.
 

TimR

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If wet handling isn’t an all important consideration, Goodyear’s Eagle F1 Supersport is getting well reviewed indeed....
Reports suggest you are giving up only a small amount to increased noise and harsher ride and getting the Assy’ 5 but way better...!
Personally, I wouldn’t rate the wet handling in comparison but the Assy5 performs very well in both wet & dry so that bar is set quite high...
If wet driving is important & you have 19’s, it’s hard to argue that PS4S isn’t the way to go imo....
 

jasst

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Wet handling isn't really that important to me, if I'm driving when its raining, then iv'e been caught out as wouldn't have been intentional, and if i am caught out in the rain, then I always drive appropriately for the conditions
 

midlifecrisis

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Hmm I need a couple of rears, was looking AT Michelin PS4S, best price I found was £475 fitted for the pair, but black circles have an offer on today Flash10 for 10%off bringing them down to £430.
 

Mr.Cambio

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No other tyre than pirelli gives better performance when dry and warm. It looks like for those beeing in cold climates this tyre does not work well. But when you travel south to the Mediterenean, you wish to have a set of four corsas, cause grip and cornering is fantastic. PS4 is capable and all year round, but pirellis have the grip when you need it.
 

CLRut

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Thoughts appreciated fellow Strad owners; I've been told by my dealer that the only truly recommended summer tyre for our cars is the P Zero Corsa 255 and rears 295 (which I currently have on the car and which don't have the MGT symbol). For those running different brands, are your front tyres still 255 or 245? Looks like a lot of positive experiences of Pirelli alternatives - which is causing me to pause.

Slightly surprised I need to change - my master plan had been to use these until winter tyre swap-over in November; but the central tread is down at 3.2-3.4mm with apparently lower on the edges and with a large road trip planned shortly, not sensible to take risks when I want to really see what the car can truly do over 2k of twisties and sweeping roads. :(
 

Contigo

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If you live in Spain or suchlike then yes P-Zero's but on a wet and cold Tuesday night in Stoke then no, that's suicide.
 

Contigo

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Anyone seen the 2019 tyre test in the latest (October issue!!!) EVO magazine?

It won't please all you P Zero bashers, as my (and Maserati's) standard choice, the Pirelli P Zero, wins hands down yet again, both on wet and dry track tests. The Michelin Pilot Sport 4 comes a good second though, with the Continental Premium Contact 6 being 3rd. Certainly, I'm happy with my choice to put a fresh set of P Zero's on my Strad.

(Admittedly, this series of tests didn't include sub-zero temperature or snow driving sessions, but I don't drive my Masers in those conditions anyway.)

I've no wish to stir up the same old tyre arguments and we all have our different preferences and driving styles, but I thought it worth mentioning this latest article.
Where's the hate and anger emoticon?