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Wattie

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I have been reading this thread for sometime now and am concerned that it is yet another sign that I am getting old.

“outright dangerous, shockingly bad, dreadful,skipped around, shocking,very poor” and that’s just page 1!

I never ever on public roads pushed a cars tyres to anywhere near what their grip levels were regardless of brand, hot, cold, dry or rain. I remember doing the occasional back end wiggle in snow for fun during the odd scottish summer but other than that feel I am not connecting to the rubber performance concerns being branded about here.

Today I will browse ( nearly typed peruse and that's an old persons word) "pipes" on amazon as I am clearly in need of one.
 
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midlifecrisis

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Wattie said:
I have been reading this thread for sometime now and am concerned that it is yet another sign that I am getting old.

“outright dangerous, shockingly bad, dreadful,skipped around, shocking,very poor” and that’s just page 1!

I never ever on public roads pushed a cars tyres to anywhere near what their grip levels were regardless of brand, hot, cold, dry or rain. I remember doing the occasional back end wiggle in snow for fun during the odd scottish summer but other than that feel I am not connecting to the rubber performance concerns being branded about here.

Today I will browse ( nearly typed peruse and that's an old persons word) "pipes" on amazon as I am clearly in need of one.
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And slippers. While you're at it, a cardigan and make sure it has pockets for the Werther's Originals..
 
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Thoughts appreciated fellow Strad owners; I've been told by my dealer that the only truly recommended summer tyre for our cars is the P Zero Corsa 255 and rears 295 (which I currently have on the car and which don't have the MGT symbol). For those running different brands, are your front tyres still 255 or 245? Looks like a lot of positive experiences of Pirelli alternatives - which is causing me to pause.

Slightly surprised I need to change - my master plan had been to use these until winter tyre swap-over in November; but the central tread is down at 3.2-3.4mm with apparently lower on the edges and with a large road trip planned shortly, not sensible to take risks when I want to really see what the car can truly do over 2k of twisties and sweeping roads. :(
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My main dealer told me that the Pzeros were the only recommended tyres until they realised that Ferrari had gone over to the Michelin Ps4 whatever's and promptly fitted the Michelin to my GT
 
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Wattie said:
I have been reading this thread for sometime now and am concerned that it is yet another sign that I am getting old.

“outright dangerous, shockingly bad, dreadful,skipped around, shocking,very poor” and that’s just page 1!

I never ever on public roads pushed a cars tyres to anywhere near what their grip levels were regardless of brand, hot, cold, dry or rain. I remember doing the occasional back end wiggle in snow for fun during the odd scottish summer but other than that feel I am not connecting to the rubber performance concerns being branded about here.

Today I will browse ( nearly typed peruse and that's an old persons word) "pipes" on amazon as I am clearly in need of one.
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To be honest.you don't really need to be silly at all. I have pulled out of junctions at fairly Daisy pace in the XJL in cold wet conditions and been slipping around with little effort. I am not sure it would do that with most other tyres. Of course with less power it would be fine but you don't have PZeros on lesser powered cars. A 510PS RWD XJL SS is dangerous in these situations and you have to be very very careful....fact. The tyres are pretty new so unless they are faulty it can easily be an issue in my experience.
 
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Weirdly, the PZeros on ‘my’ loaner Vantage are much better than the ones on my V12VS. Perhaps they’ve substantially improved the compound. Or maybe the weather is simply far more Pzero friendly.
 
mjheathcote

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conaero said:
PS4, Vredestain are a rebrand of Pzeros, **** in the cold and stiffened sidewalls that split the shoulder over potholes. I may be wrong but the characteristics are astonishing.
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Where has that info come from?
Very happy with the vredestein vorti's fitted on mine this year.
As said they have a slightly different tread pattern front to rear being staggered as the front tyres clear water first before the rear, nothing like the Pzeros.
 
Wattie

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After 4 pages of dissatisfaction can I add some input and clarity.

I was out in the pipelines earlier, the swell was gnarly (bit choppy in English) and I was just carving it up before heading home to my chosen pipe (I have settled on a Hans Landa model from Inglorious which seems to fit the 1936 Brexit thread innuendo well ;)) when I was approached by a camera crew who just happened to have a Granturismo nearby and who recognised my experience with such a weapon......and my undoubted skill on a soft-top.....in the gnarliness.

20 minutes in make up, wig on, Beckham stubble applied (the make up girl said it was the easiest days work she’d ever done, (that included, Pitt, Cluny....Hemsworth).
The result.
Art.
And a very important public information message.
You’re all on the wrong tyre.
 
midlifecrisis

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Wattie said:
After 4 pages of dissatisfaction can I add some input and clarity.

I was out in the pipelines earlier, the swell was gnarly (bit choppy in English) and I was just carving it up before heading home to my chosen pipe (I have settled on a Hans Landa model from Inglorious which seems to fit the 1936 Brexit thread innuendo well ;)) when I was approached by a camera crew who just happened to have a Granturismo nearby and who recognised my experience with such a weapon......and my undoubted skill on a soft-top.....in the gnarliness.

20 minutes in make up, wig on, Beckham stubble applied (the make up girl said it was the easiest days work she’d ever done, (that included, Pitt, Cluny....Hemsworth).
The result.
Art.
And a very important public information message.
You’re all on the wrong tyre.
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And I've just fitted to Michelins to the rear... Since United are in the Europa League, I'll have to get those now.
By the way Wattie, who's idea was it to feature a burn out in a tyre commercial?
 
jasst

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Its not just us who slate Pirelli, friend has just bought a Maclaren 675 LT, which comes with Pirelli Corsa's and he said on a damp road it is all over the place.
 
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Wattie said:
I have been reading this thread for sometime now and am concerned that it is yet another sign that I am getting old.

“outright dangerous, shockingly bad, dreadful,skipped around, shocking,very poor” and that’s just page 1!

I never ever on public roads pushed a cars tyres to anywhere near what their grip levels were regardless of brand, hot, cold, dry or rain. I remember doing the occasional back end wiggle in snow for fun during the odd scottish summer but other than that feel I am not connecting to the rubber performance concerns being branded about here.

Today I will browse ( nearly typed peruse and that's an old persons word) "pipes" on amazon as I am clearly in need of one.
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The point is that they are rubbish when cold no matter what speed, its not because anyone is trying to break a land speed record, its just a normal drive. As a said in an earlier post, its much to do with inconsistent production as anything. This is why one person is happy and another thinks they are useless. Kumho have the same problem with issues in production between Chinese and Korean factories.
 
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jasst said:
You can get the assy 2 for all 4 corners, but they are more expensive than the assy 5, and I object to paying more for old tech, looking more like Mich ps4s, or falken FK510 who also cover all sizes.
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I'd like to try the Goodyears but I can only find Asymmetric 3 or 5 in 235 / 35 / R19, and Asymmetric 2 in 265 / 30 / R19 (also considerably cheaper than Michelins). So it doesn't seem possible to fit the same version front and back however you cut it.

Has anyone gone down this road and able to report on handling?
 
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I'm going up a size on the front to 245/35/19 and have managed to find the Asy 2 in this size, but only from Halfords and at a cost of £341.98 for the pair fitted. Have also found Asy 3 in this size, and wouldn't be too bothered about having 2's on the back and 3's on the front.
 
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Who could have thought this could get any more complex, its only about tires after all, called in to a local independent tire fitter today to get some prices, gave him size I want, (245/35/19) and he asked for make and model of car, came up on his computer as having 235/35/19, which we all know is the size fitted as standard, and he said he would refuse to fit the size i asked for and would only fit what his system stated, due to liability etc, etc but (it gets more confusing) some of the tire sites come up with 245/35/19 for my reg no, and some come up with 235/35/19, so who do you trust? I could buy the size I want, which is the one recommended by the website, only to turn up at the fitters for them to refuse to fit them as they are different to what is already fitted. :frusty6:
 
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I have never had that happen. I've always told them what I wanted fitted. No argument ensued

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jasst said:
Who could have thought this could get any more complex, its only about tires after all, called in to a local independent tire fitter today to get some prices, gave him size I want, (245/35/19) and he asked for make and model of car, came up on his computer as having 235/35/19, which we all know is the size fitted as standard, and he said he would refuse to fit the size i asked for and would only fit what his system stated, due to liability etc, etc but (it gets more confusing) some of the tire sites come up with 245/35/19 for my reg no, and some come up with 235/35/19, so who do you trust? I could buy the size I want, which is the one recommended by the website, only to turn up at the fitters for them to refuse to fit them as they are different to what is already fitted. :frusty6:
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I think I see your problem ...... you've gone to an American tire fitter rather than a good old British tyre fitter :D
 
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