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Oneball said:
Don’t think so, the fire damaged the flight controls.

Kegworth was where they turned off the good engine. Boeing has changed the air con feed from one side to the other on the latest 737 and don’t brirf the pilots. Although the fire warning was for the left engine the pilots “knew” that all 737s got air con air for the right engine so the warning must have been wrong when smoke entered the cabin.
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Incorrect. The F/E shut down number 2 before the minimum shut down speed, consequently the aircraft couldn’t get above min drag and, coupled with leaving the gear down, effectively turned a smoking aircraft into a smoking hole. You are correct about the Kegworth crash though. Boeing changed the analogue flight deck into a glass cockpit and declared that there didn’t need to be any re-training apart from a video presentation. This was an attractive proposition for the airlines taking them on as it minimised pilot time in the sim and classroom. Changes like the air conditioning source and accurate vibration gauges weren’t highlighted and both played a significant role in the accident. Boeing were criticised in the crash report and told not to do it again. Then came the 737 Max crashes, sound familiar?
 
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If that does happen it'll be a service for the super rich.
I never had any ambition to fly on Concorde , I just think it's spectacular to see in the air and it's a national disgrace it's not flying today

I also think the UK should have an airworthy english electric lightning , I was lucky enough to see them fly in the 80s at quite a few airshows , they put on a fantastic show as a pair
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My absolute favourite plane! Climb rate of 50,000ft per minute I believe. Outrageous really! I've flown a microlight that will climb at 1200 per minute and that seemed awesome!
 
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BennyD said:
Incorrect. The F/E shut down number 2 before the minimum shut down speed, consequently the aircraft couldn’t get above min drag and, coupled with leaving the gear down, effectively turned a smoking aircraft into a smoking hole. You are correct about the Kegworth crash though. Boeing changed the analogue flight deck into a glass cockpit and declared that there didn’t need to be any re-training apart from a video presentation. This was an attractive proposition for the airlines taking them on as it minimised pilot time in the sim and classroom. Changes like the air conditioning source and accurate vibration gauges weren’t highlighted and both played a significant role in the accident. Boeing were criticised in the crash report and told not to do it again. Then came the 737 Max crashes, sound familiar?
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Boeing’s saga may be ongoing....

Whistleblower Claims Dangerous Design Flaws Abound In Boeing's New 777 | ZeroHedge

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flexwing said:
My absolute favourite plane! Climb rate of 50,000ft per minute I believe. Outrageous really! I've flown a microlight that will climb at 1200 per minute and that seemed awesome!
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i was lucky enough to see 2 lightnings at mildenhall , 1988 maybe , the last year they were in service , they put on a fantastic display , as thousands of cars were leaving to go home they announced the Lightnings were leaving so I got my video camera out , left the girlfriend driving in the crawling queue and taped them , they took off , circled then 1/2 way along the runway they climbed vertically until they were glinting dots in the sky

it was spectacular , the issue then was it’d taken a bit longer than the few minutes I thought it would, the queue had got faster and I couldn’t see them , then it split into 2 queues heading for different exits , rather than pull out of the queue and wait for me , she kept going, 50/50 and I chose the wrong queue

I walked about a mile to the exit , nowhere to be seen , this was before everybody had a mobile phone so I had to walk back then I spotted her, parked up the other side of the 10ft perimeter fence , 30ft away but a 2 mile walk , **** me

I transferred the footage onto a vhs tape, I’d told my dad about it , lent him the tape while I was on holiday for 2 weeks , he gave me it back telling me how much he’d enjoyed it.

got it home , thought I’ll watch it again , only that wasn’t possible , because it had 3 hours of ******* snooker on it and I’d re used the original tape on holiday
 
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From posting a black and white picture of probably the world's most iconic aircraft I have certainly learnt a few things.
 
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Wattie said:
Boeing’s saga may be ongoing....

Whistleblower Claims Dangerous Design Flaws Abound In Boeing's New 777 | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com www.zerohedge.com
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Both the FAA and Boeing have been criticised for the certification process being too chummy with a lack of independence and a lot of self certification.

The government here did something very similar to building regs to speed up new builds which has been mentioned in the Grenfell investigations.
 
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Boeing’s saga may be ongoing....

Whistleblower Claims Dangerous Design Flaws Abound In Boeing's New 777 | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com www.zerohedge.com
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I'm being a tad simplistic here and I'm sure there might be a valid reason for all these electronic gizmos these engineers come up with on planes, but if "it aint broke dont fix it", bit like too much tech on cars these days,, electronic this electronic that, if it goes wrong on a motor just a pain in the 4rse, if it goes wrong on a plane slightly different story as we now know, sounds like boeing are in some real deep voodoo with cover ups and brown envelopes
 
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I'm being a tad simplistic here and I'm sure there might be a valid reason for all these electronic gizmos these engineers come up with on planes, but if "it aint broke dont fix it", bit like too much tech on cars these days,, electronic this electronic that, if it goes wrong on a motor just a pain in the 4rse, if it goes wrong on a plane slightly different story as we now know, sounds like boeing are in some real deep voodoo with cover ups and brown envelopes
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Mercedes lost a lot of truck sales over a new mirror system , instead of 2 big mirrors on the outside they now have 2 cameras and a display that looks like a mirror either side of the windscreen inside the cab.

the unions got involved saying drivers would need training so fleets bought daf/Volvo/Scania with normal mirrors

they’re probably great when they work , they‘ll stop trucks spinning cars up the motorway for sure but when they break the truck could be off the road for days
 
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Mercedes lost a lot of truck sales over a new mirror system , instead of 2 big mirrors on the outside they now have 2 cameras and a display that looks like a mirror either side of the windscreen inside the cab.

the unions got involved saying drivers would need training so fleets bought daf/Volvo/Scania with normal mirrors

they’re probably great when they work , they‘ll stop trucks spinning cars up the motorway for sure but when they break the truck could be off the road for days
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nail on head, if it goes wrong and it will what are the implications whilst a truck is actually on the road, do they have to stop their journey, ffs, theres too much overthinking things that arent a problem, suppose it keeps some people in work;)
 
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lifes2short said:
I'm being a tad simplistic here and I'm sure there might be a valid reason for all these electronic gizmos these engineers come up with on planes, but if "it aint broke dont fix it", bit like too much tech on cars these days,, electronic this electronic that, if it goes wrong on a motor just a pain in the 4rse, if it goes wrong on a plane slightly different story as we now know, sounds like boeing are in some real deep voodoo with cover ups and brown envelopes
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The electronic flight deck on modern airliners can be a bit bewildering at times; there are so many ways to get the info you want you can almost get ’lost’ in which way is best. Boeing have been under the cosh from Airbus for years and it would appear they are losing the plot. I’ve said from the word go that the 737Max won’t be cleared for service in it’s current guise; they will have to change the architecture and the name at the very least. Fortunately I never flew one, I was Airbus only.
 
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