New Granturismo

safrane

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So will this be the first electric only topped GT to market?

I know the Tycan is out there, but it looks like a huge flattened Teslar and its huge.

How will the buying public take to the new GT... and how much will it depreciate so I could consider one in a few years... if it does not sell well, I may end up in a German car.
 

bigbob

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So will this be the first electric only topped GT to market?

I know the Tycan is out there, but it looks like a huge flattened Teslar and its huge.

How will the buying public take to the new GT... and how much will it depreciate so I could consider one in a few years... if it does not sell well, I may end up in a German car.
The upside if you bought one to replace the GS is that you would only need to charge it once or maybe twice a year. ;)
 

BennyD

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Bah fcking humbug. EVs are the answer to a question only a twt would ask. Fortunately I’m old enough not to have to care about upsetting Greta Funsponge and her acolytes.
 

conaero

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Looks promising, I recon there will be a GTS V8, last one though,

Failing that, the engine in my Strad will be coming out and going in.
 

GeoffCapes

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What is the point of an Electric GT car that has a range of only 250 miles?

The whole point of a GT car is something you can cross continents in, in style, pace and grace.
If you got off the ferry at Calais, you've only a third of the way to the South of France before you'd have to stop for a 12 hour re-charge.

Not for me thanks.
 

midlifecrisis

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Looks promising, I recon there will be a GTS V8, last one though,

Failing that, the engine in my Strad will be coming out and going in.
Noooo...I'm sure you could get another engine with sacrificing yours. If you do think , don't forget to remove the batteries. They'll be worth a lot with tridents on them.
 

Ewan

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What is the point of an Electric GT car that has a range of only 250 miles?

The whole point of a GT car is something you can cross continents in, in style, pace and grace.
If you got off the ferry at Calais, you've only a third of the way to the South of France before you'd have to stop for a 12 hour re-charge.

Not for me thanks.
The latest fast charges do it in about 30 minutes. Giving you time for a coffee and croissant en route.
That said, in the last 25 years I’ve had 20 Maseratis and never once done over 250 miles in a day in any of them. A range of 250 would be more than ample for me.
 

GeoffCapes

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The latest fast charges do it in about 30 minutes. Giving you time for a coffee and croissant en route.
That said, in the last 25 years I’ve had 20 Maseratis and never once done over 250 miles in a day in any of them. A range of 250 would be more than ample for me.

But who wants to wait around for half an hour every 250 miles?

And lets be honest, it will be 250 miles if you do 60mph. So reality will be 150-175 miles tops!
And then you have to find a fast charger. Which is another story entirely.

Electric cars clearly have a place for short journeys.

As a GT, I just don't think they work.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. EV's are only here until green hydrogen gets cheaper. And the price is coming down.
 

Doohickey

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. EV's are only here until green hydrogen gets cheaper. And the price is coming down.
Hydrogen's biggest problem is the refuelling network. It's far more expensive to build a hydrogen refuelling station than to put in a load of chargers and until the government encourages the industry to adopt hydrogen (which it won't) then there's no incentive for them to do anything about it.

There's a review of the new Toyota Mirai in Car mag this month where it says there are only 11 hydrogen refuelling stations in the whole of the UK!
 

safrane

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I noted a advert from Toyota re investing in fuel cell development... hopefully it will bring this to the masses like the Prius did.

Just watched Harrys review of the RS E-Tron. Quite struck that a fast charger he was charged £12.97 for 40 mins of use and c85 miles extra range*... looks quite expensive when compared to carbon fuel.

*economy mode range - driving on the motorway at below 70 mph and low power mode.
 

CatmanV2

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Hydrogen's biggest problem is the refuelling network. It's far more expensive to build a hydrogen refuelling station

Interesting. I'd have thought that, given that an H station would be (I assume) pretty much self contained and could be smaller for the same car re-fuelling through put, and wouldn't need dirty great electrical cables connected to it, it would be more like the cost of an existing station?

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bigbob

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I noted a advert from Toyota re investing in fuel cell development... hopefully it will bring this to the masses like the Prius did.

Just watched Harrys review of the RS E-Tron. Quite struck that a fast charger he was charged £12.97 for 40 mins of use and c85 miles extra range*... looks quite expensive when compared to carbon fuel.

*economy mode range - driving on the motorway at below 70 mph and low power mode.
I think some of these charging stations charge something like three times the typical kw domestic rate. It's a business I guess but the financial argument for an EV (fake BIK incentives aside) disappears if people charge away from home often. However, most will not and home or work charging at a subsidised rate will make up the vast majority of plug ins.
 

rs48635

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100% electric translates to zero attachment for me. Will I still sit a few minutes listening before and after every drive?
Might as well move my favourite chair between the fridge and washing machine. Maybe drink all the bleach and drift away to white noise.
 

ScottH

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A dealer I spoke to recently is still expecting three forms of the car - 100% electric / hybrid / some form of ice (most likely a version of mc20’s v6) but didn’t have / couldn’t share any other details
 

sionie1

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But who wants to wait around for half an hour every 250 miles?

And lets be honest, it will be 250 miles if you do 60mph. So reality will be 150-175 miles tops!
And then you have to find a fast charger. Which is another story entirely.

Electric cars clearly have a place for short journeys.

As a GT, I just don't think they work.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. EV's are only here until green hydrogen gets cheaper. And the price is coming down.
If the newer ones are anything like the EV my wife had use of, don't forget reduced mileage if you have the heaters on, the radio on.....
 

GeoffCapes

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Hydrogen's biggest problem is the refuelling network. It's far more expensive to build a hydrogen refuelling station than to put in a load of chargers and until the government encourages the industry to adopt hydrogen (which it won't) then there's no incentive for them to do anything about it.

There's a review of the new Toyota Mirai in Car mag this month where it says there are only 11 hydrogen refuelling stations in the whole of the UK!

I agree, there are very few hydrogen feeling stations.
That's because the cost of green hydrogen is too high at the moment to make hydrogen car cost effective.
However, that will change. There are more and more green hydrogen projects being built every day.

'When' natural gas is phased out, the gas network will be used to transport hydrogen around. That'll be a bugger for EV's when you can top your car up at your house.
Or at a Hydrogen station.
Without the silly prices (if you don't get a grant) for EV chargers.

This hit my mailbox this morning https://energypost.eu/nw-europes-hydrogen-targets-ambition-must-match-reality/

Gives you a bit of an insight going forward. These are targets for 2030.
How long did it take EV's to take off? 1997 the Prius came out. So 24 years? Give or take.

We're looking at hydrogen in 9.