HR Experts

[EnzoMC]

People had lityle to no chance of getting better or more than their contractual entitlement

think they would have been well happy with the contract offer but all they were offered was a small amount over government. thats the part I don't get that contracts do not seem to mean anything if companies are able get away with this.

 

[cheshiremaserati]

think they would have been well happy with the contract offer but all they were offered was a small amount over government. thats the part I don't get that contracts do not seem to mean anything if companies are able get away with this.

Obi-Wan has taught you well, but you are not yet a Jedi Master Enzo. It is imperative to remember The Golden Rule. That is: "He who owns the Gold makes the rules"

Lawyers will seek to comfort you that you have a case, a strong contractual chanc3 of winning, lulling you into spending cash on fees and raising expectations, only to get bu££er all extra back and dawning on you why you were sucked into the fee-grabbing story without a counter balance reality check that contracts mean very little in reality. An employer can find ways around anything and they always win in 99.9% of cases.

My position was always, cease to talk to me, cease to talk to the decision-maker and the budget holder. I'd just turn them over to the HR and lawyers with a single instruction - see this through and finish it without dragging it on and nothing over contractual entitlement.

People rarely realise such realities and blindly and emotionally wade in.

The OP has had many pieces of good advice so is best placed on way forward. Interesting thread that got my interest with a rewuest for HR advice.

 

[RobinL]

Interestingly I interviewed for a position with a 'former' employer the other day.

They asked why I wanted the job with them? Well the job is very interesting for me, needs around 60% experience, 20% will be stretch for me and the rest is unknowns. All in all a good one.
Then they asked why they should have me back?

Hmmm.

1. Because I know your 'corporate layout' do no lead in time. At work day 1
2. I want the job so will be keen to comply and know what I'm getting into
3. I believe they have changed sufficiently to present a better opportunity.

The one thing is, even though I resigned I did it in the best way I could to ensure future possibilities!

Adversarial approaches usually only benefit lawyers. Not us mere mortals.

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[Zep]

Think there is a happy medium in all of this.

1. Get good advice, understand the rules and how they apply to your situation.
2. This can be an emotional time so make the effort to be objective in your assessment of the things you are being told.
3. Take copious notes in one to one and team meetings - do not sign meeting minutes until you have had time to review the notes and make sure they adequately show the points made and your understanding of them.
4. Negotiate politely and in good faith - if the initial offer seems unlikely to fulfil the criteria for redeployment or you know that others have received an enhanced redundancy package, say so - there is a fair chance something could be done. If you are combative from the get go, you are unlikely to succeed. You need to be assertive but not aggressive.

There are plenty of companies that are extremely good at the HR process for redundancy and operate within the rules. There are others that will attempt to wriggle out of their obligations, use double talk and underhand tactics to confuse you. I have seen both. The important bit is to know which is which and act accordingly.

 

[Phil H]

It's also better to discuss the matter 'without prejudice' before things get too adversarial, but do ensure that all parties agree to that. You can then explore possibilities and figure out your options whilst gauging the employer's reaction. If you've not heard of the term 'Without Prejudice' Google has plenty to offer, and some legal websites explain it.

PH

 

[Navcorr]

Third party insurance claims settlement offers are typically "Without Prejudice".
Once accepted they preclude any further claims being made.

 

[zagatoes30]

All the best Chris, when one door closes another normally opens.

I took redundancy from VF some years ago and it was the best thing I ever did set me up for the life I have now. I also advised one of my team that if they offered it him, he should take it. He did and once again is in a totally different place to where he was.

Bizarrely years later VF were extremely happy to take us both back as consultants to help rebuild the team we had originally been part of.

 

[UlstermanAbroad]

There probably isn't an HR situation that I've not dealt with successfully, many times over, in various jurisdictions, involving all types, sizes and cultures of organisations from SMEs up to FTSE/S&P 100 corporates.
I wouldn't suggest anything, without knowing specifics and the last thing I am is a sea lawyer.
If you want to run anything past me, PM me for my mobile.

 

[CatmanV2]

My thanks. It's all proving very amusing at the moment

C