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CatmanV2

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Morning, forum.

Could do with some impartial HR advice. Pretty sure I know where I am, and it's pretty much a no-lose scenario but could do with someone looking to look at my win options.

Anyone can step in?

Cheers

C
 

MarkMas

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I'm not an HR professional, but a recruiter; but I have lots of experience with job / no job HR issues.
 

philw696

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Have to say redundancy was one of the best things to happen for me in 2001 giving me the kick up the a55 to become self employed until going to NZ and back into employment.
Just coming up to my first year end of self employment in France.
Probably in unemployable now.
 

Felonious Crud

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Chris, sorry to read this. The Acas website is a good resource, but if you want a good HR lawyer then drop me a note and I'll send you some details.

Good luck, fella.
 

CatmanV2

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Chris, sorry to read this. The Acas website is a good resource, but if you want a good HR lawyer then drop me a note and I'll send you some details.

Good luck, fella.
No need to be sorry, chap. It is really a win/win as far as I am concerned. Nothing is in stone yet. Currently they appear to be keen for me not to go nuclear, which is interesting.

C
 

allandwf

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Best wishes with however things pan out. A long long time ago I went down the ACAS route, represented myself and won, but there is winning and winning. Don't let things consume you, and see things as a positive.
 
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Involving ACAS or unions or 3rd parties brings a curtain between you and the employer. Employers generally have taken legal advice on dismissal through redundancy. Too many take on employers and lose out with bare minimum entitlements to be legally compliant. There is an alternative approach a solicitor can advise.

Big companies have rigorous standards for dismissal through redundancy and through poor performance. Getting over and above contractual entitlements is a slim chance despite boasts from dismissed persons I have dismissed through redundancy.

HR is the last place to ask for advice - they use a law firm and if i asked a redundancy question to 3 HR wasters, they"d give me 3 inaccurate and diferent answers.
 

Felonious Crud

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I wouldn't, without understanding the circumstances, suggest involving ACAS, but the website does define the rules and regulations very clearly. It's a good resource.
 
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I wouldn't, without understanding the circumstances, suggest involving ACAS, but the website does define the rules and regulations very clearly. It's a good resource.
Yup. I had people trying to involve AMICUS and other unions, ACAS and even a solicitor during dismissal process. Immediately it put a barrier and I handed over to a department of lawyers internal to the Company who managed the person out with bare minimum entitlement and screwed up their prospects of getting another job with a reference that told the truth or refused to provide a reference and said a lot to a future employer. Trying to take on a company with outside involvement carries serious risk of backfiring on the employee.
 

Felonious Crud

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Yup. I had people trying to involve AMICUS and other unions, ACAS and even a solicitor during dismissal process. Immediately it put a barrier and I handed over to a department of lawyers internal to the Company who managed the person out with bare minimum entitlement and screwed up their prospects of getting another job with a reference that told the truth or refused to provide a reference and said a lot to a future employer. Trying to take on a company with outside involvement carries serious risk of backfiring on the employee.
Yeah, I agree. Take external guidance, understand your rights and responsibilities and use that knowledge wisely.
 

MarkMas

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Thanks. I think I've got the required expertise :)
So, obviously, you are saying you want loads more advice...... :)

Having been on both sides of this MANY times, what I would say is that (a) the employee should ALWAYS get proper legal (and tax) advice, (b) the company should pay a reasonable amount for the employee's advice, (c) being amiable and easy to do business with is almost always better than truculent and nuclear.
 

CatmanV2

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So, obviously, you are saying you want loads more advice...... :)
Naturally :lol2:

Having been on both sides of this MANY times, what I would say is that (a) the employee should ALWAYS get proper legal (and tax) advice, (b) the company should pay a reasonable amount for the employee's advice, (c) being amiable and easy to do business with is almost always better than truculent and nuclear.
Cheers ;)

C