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Yes, basically, stewards, team and fans are what makes Max so dangerous in my book rather than him himself.
It’s not the fact that Hamilton doesn’t do bad stuff, he does, but no one congratulates him for it. In fact Hamilton is often lauded as a fair drive who doesn’t crash, irrespective of whether that’s true or not, he’s a good example.
When Schumacher or Senna or Prost or Rossi or even Hunt did questionable stuff everyone said so. But this doesn’t happen with Max for some reason.
I think the stewards are partly to blame, I believe the FIA let Max gay away with stuff as he brings in the money and gives F1 better viewing figures as he’s the one who can fight with Hamilton. I also think his team are to blame, if there was a F Williams or Ron in charge he’d have had a load of tellings off earlier in his time with RB
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I certainly hope so. I for one hope he gets one more championship to become the most successful F1 driver ever. Great to have that title with a British driver.
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MV has had privileged treatment from the FIA throughout his career such as continually getting away with weaving under breaking during his early years. But I agree with Alonso the younger drivers are allowed to weave around and mock the rules more than the old gaurd - I am loving how Alonso has started to make a mockery of the FIA whenever possible but if he was at the front it would be a different story.
Alonso: F1 has 'different rules for different people'
Double Formula One world champion Fernando Alonso suggested on Thursday that some drivers were being treated differently to others when it came to track behaviour during races.
Leclerc says he will 'adjust aggression' for Silverstone | Formula 1®
Charles Leclerc says he will adjust his driving style to be more aggressive after the Austrian Grand Prix, in which Max Verstappen avoided a penalty for a late overtake on the Ferrar driver.
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It's the Mercedes that is suddenly a lot faster (than everyone) - that's the only fishy thing I can see at this moment
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There are always politics in F1, thats part of the sport as well. There is also a lot of experience and people that know their stuff that make the decisions. For a neutral supporter you want to see close battles and hard fair racing. Whatever fair and hard are is determined by the stewards.
Most people I know where kinda done with the Mercedes parade every race for year after year, as was I. I couldnt care less who is at the front, as long as it is not the same guy or girl race after race. I
As for the fast car that hamilton had, Bottas had nowhere near that speed. I believe they just gave lewis significant more HP from the new engine. And i don't believe they can do so for all remaining races, but maybe dont have to since these tracks suit mercedes better anyway. It feels like they did a bit of a all or nothing gamble to get the maximum result and keep the gap manageable. I think if Max had won he would have had enough with only second places for the remaining three races.
Most people I know where kinda done with the Mercedes parade every race for year after year, as was I. I couldnt care less who is at the front, as long as it is not the same guy or girl race after race. I
As for the fast car that hamilton had, Bottas had nowhere near that speed. I believe they just gave lewis significant more HP from the new engine. And i don't believe they can do so for all remaining races, but maybe dont have to since these tracks suit mercedes better anyway. It feels like they did a bit of a all or nothing gamble to get the maximum result and keep the gap manageable. I think if Max had won he would have had enough with only second places for the remaining three races.
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I think you've got selective memory (or vision) on this issue - Max has had a lot of criticism, certainly in his "younger" years about aggressive driving. The FIA penalised Vettel a few years ago for crashing into Hamilton, in Canada I believe, and that also got a lot of criticism. "Let them race" was what a lot said then. It's always going to be a contentious issue, what is allowed and what isn't and what people want to see. F1 should be exciting and on the limit with the winner not being a given. When something is on the limit it means that you're very close to over the limit and that's what keeps us at the edge of our seat. And that's exactly where we all are at this point in time, where for the first time in 7 years a non-Mercedes has an actual chance to win a championship. It's obvious that the Mercedes and Hamilton fans are not used to this and don't like it one bit.
However I don't believe we are having this discussion on general grounds about the merits of the case. We are having this discussion as fans of one or the other driver and that IMHO clouds our vision a bit....
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It’s already been explained. The area behind the front wheel where they have the vertical vanes has been redesigned so that at high speed, it is more effective as stalling the airflow. They all do it, it’s just that Mercedes have it upon a solution that is effective.
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So did red bull cheat in Mexico when they won by a huge margin?
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Were Red Bull suddenly a lot faster than the competition? I don't think that was the case, Red Bull has always been fast in Mexico so that is not really a relevant question.
I haven't seen that explanation yet, it must be new today. And it may or may not be legal, we don't know. But it's a fact they are suddenly a lot faster and experience tells that when this is the case the reason for it has quite often been due to an over generous interpretation of the rule book which is subsequently disallowed. The DAS system is a good example and there have been many others by many of the constructors. If it's legal, kudos to them, that's what F1 is all about. Let's just not pretend that Hamilton suddenly "got the bit between his teeth" and became superman.
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I don’t like either of them particularly.
I know that many people go to races to see the crashes and gladiatorial combat with cars banging in to each other. I know it’s exciting for fans to see cars being pushed on to the grass by other competitors and “rubbing is racing”. I know that cars and circuits have become safer but there are still risks and I don’t like it, I don’t like that a sport I love and compete in is becoming so risky that on a number of occasions recently I’ve got out of a race car and thought about quitting.
Ive been in involved in motorsport at a club level for 25 years, both building cars and racing. In the last 5 or so years driving standards, especially amongst those new to the sport, have deteriorated significantly. I would say it won’t but long before some one gets killed but that’s not the case as a marshal was killed at Brands this year due to aggressive driving.
Max is both a cause and a symptom and if he wins a championship and is lauded as a hard racer amongst the fans it will only get worse.
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I can understand you are upset about your racing experiences and about the death of a marshal - just don't single out Max as the/a cause, it's not fair to blame him for what you are experiencing on the race course. If you want to single him out then come with the facts, i.e. that he has caused far more incidents than any other driver in a reasonable time frame (which would be the last couple of years or so). I think you will find that other drivers have been in far more gladiatorial combat than Max (or Lewis). Racing in general has become much safer in terms of car design, driving rules, procedures and safety protocols and hopefully this trend will continue without detracting from the excitement.
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Are they not aloud to be faster then…Surely if they are breaking rules Red Bill would be running to tell teacher already.
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Of course as per my later post - as long as its legal everything is allowed. The others, be it Mercedes, Red Bull or any of the others will be running to the teacher anyway if they suspect someone was naughty or if they can get an advantage.
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interesting to listen to Christian H pre race talk about engine degradation. He claimed Honda was v low at 10% from new to EOL. If Mercs lose 15% that could be well over 100bhp. I wonder what the maths is for bhp required to add 30kph above 300? Regardless it was a well executed drive but there was no car capable of holding out long against such an advantage. Roll on the Arabian finale!
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Not new today. The explanation came out when Mercedes found s new burst in speed a couple of races ago. How they figure this stuff out, I have no idea.
