Fellow owner killed in crash on A5
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conaero
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Very nasty, thanks for taking the time to issue the facts. So if you were steady at 60, he must have lost it at 80-90 and upwards.
Guys, keep this in the back of your mind and be safe out there. As we saw with that F458 last week in the wet it does not take much!
Guys, keep this in the back of your mind and be safe out there. As we saw with that F458 last week in the wet it does not take much!
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My condolences to his family and friends. It sounds as though the gentleman enjoyed his car like most of us, tragic that it should end this way.
Sounds like loss of traction to one wheel, possibly caused by wet white lines/centre line detritus and probable excessive acceleration/deceleration and/or gear change. Suspension or tyre failure can also cause similar, but I suggest you dont ask me how I know that.
Sudden loss of traction to one tyre which starts to spin, the LSD then transfers power to other wheel which then, after getting some initial additional power down, also overcomes it's grip and also looses traction. At that point the entire rear is loose and the differentials in torque and grip start a spin. At speed it'll happen quickly and you'll be pointing 90 degree to previous direction of travel before you know it. MSP on these is good, but it's of it's time and it cant work miracles. Only way out is to catch it within the 1/10th of a second or so before it steps out beyond recovery; something you can only achieve with practice and even then it's unlikely if you're not expecting it (lewis hamilton spin leaving aussie gp?).
Modern electronic diffs and the latest versions of stability control are more likely to react quickly enough through braking, but most of the current ones tend to make cars feel less "responsive". I also wouldnt drive around with anything heavy and/or loose in the boot, it doesnt help. But the best answer to the problem is never to mash the throttle hard in anything other than good grip conditions. In low grip conditions the steering, brake and throttle use should be very smooth, both in application and release. On drying roads conditions can and do change very quickly.
Time for another wet handling day?
Sounds like loss of traction to one wheel, possibly caused by wet white lines/centre line detritus and probable excessive acceleration/deceleration and/or gear change. Suspension or tyre failure can also cause similar, but I suggest you dont ask me how I know that.
Sudden loss of traction to one tyre which starts to spin, the LSD then transfers power to other wheel which then, after getting some initial additional power down, also overcomes it's grip and also looses traction. At that point the entire rear is loose and the differentials in torque and grip start a spin. At speed it'll happen quickly and you'll be pointing 90 degree to previous direction of travel before you know it. MSP on these is good, but it's of it's time and it cant work miracles. Only way out is to catch it within the 1/10th of a second or so before it steps out beyond recovery; something you can only achieve with practice and even then it's unlikely if you're not expecting it (lewis hamilton spin leaving aussie gp?).
Modern electronic diffs and the latest versions of stability control are more likely to react quickly enough through braking, but most of the current ones tend to make cars feel less "responsive". I also wouldnt drive around with anything heavy and/or loose in the boot, it doesnt help. But the best answer to the problem is never to mash the throttle hard in anything other than good grip conditions. In low grip conditions the steering, brake and throttle use should be very smooth, both in application and release. On drying roads conditions can and do change very quickly.
Time for another wet handling day?
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I'm sure many of us have been caught out by a warm engine, transmission but cold tyres after a brief stop.... That is so easy to forget. Not saying this was a factor here, Grinzzz is probably hitting the point with wight lines, debris or man hole covers any of which are a mare in the damp.
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I dunno if a wet handling day would truly help....even doing moderate speeds.....you have 4 feet either side of car to contain it within if control lost when over taking..............plus things coming other way.......unless regularly practicing and good at it and maybe even lucky....
I only moderately floor it even in the dry........I make Urbanmaser look like a reckless, high on crystal meths, street racer.....
....each time I get my car serviced Marios says to me...."New brakes pads again?"...." Nope same ones in it for last 3 years....and 20K miles!"
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I only moderately floor it even in the dry........I make Urbanmaser look like a reckless, high on crystal meths, street racer.....
....each time I get my car serviced Marios says to me...."New brakes pads again?"...." Nope same ones in it for last 3 years....and 20K miles!"P
No problem. It wasn't a nice experience to have seen this happen but if it helps anyone who knew the poor chap find some answers or get some closure or perhaps any other drivers avoid a similar situation I'm happy to answer questions about it.
It sounds like most people here have a healthy respect for the power of these machines.
We're still waiting to attend the coroners inquest now to give witness testimony, apparently they're usually about 6 months later! The police already have my and my wife's written statements though and they're satisfied that they know what happened. I was told they found no mechanical defects with the car in case anyone was worried about that.
I'd be interested to know how you saw photos of the vehicle afterwards if you don't mind telling me.
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I saw it on co part or similar breakers breaking for spares. When I saw the state of the drivers side I thought it was probably fatal, then the colour and the penny dropped.
When these cars end up in the breakers we usually know the history through our network of members and dealers/specialists.
When these cars end up in the breakers we usually know the history through our network of members and dealers/specialists.
