EV and advice from any users please!

[Italiano]

As the last few remaining T-Rex's in Jurassic Park, personally I will never go EV

 

[Tallman]

As the last few remaining T-Rex's in Jurassic Park, personally I will never go EV

Famous last words

 

[Italiano]

Famous last words

love my engine noise too much

 

[Ewan]

Fuel prices: Could I save money driving an electric car?

As petrol and diesel prices continue to increase, interest in electric vehicles is rising

www.bbc.co.uk

Some interesting info here about the costs and environmental impact of buying a new EV over a new ICE car.

 

[CatmanV2]

Fuel prices: Could I save money driving an electric car?

As petrol and diesel prices continue to increase, interest in electric vehicles is rising

www.bbc.co.uk

Some interesting info here about the costs and environmental impact of buying a new EV over a new ICE car.

Diesel has just gone up here by 6p.

C

 

[Lozzer]

Fuel prices: Could I save money driving an electric car?

As petrol and diesel prices continue to increase, interest in electric vehicles is rising

www.bbc.co.uk

Some interesting info here about the costs and environmental impact of buying a new EV over a new ICE car.

"Given this, the BBC calculates that an EV's environmental impact will be lower than that of a petrol car within 18 months of ownership, or two years for a diesel car."

I would like to see the data said Government Corporation used to calculate that whopper......

 

[Italiano]

EVs are the next diesel gate

People blinded and swayed by public opinion

 

[dickygrace]

"Given this, the BBC calculates that an EV's environmental impact will be lower than that of a petrol car within 18 months of ownership, or two years for a diesel car."

I would like to see the data said Government Corporation used to calculate that whopper......

Lies, **** lies and statistics. This is just a lie.

 

[dickygrace]

D a m n

 

[philw696]

Still don't want one

 

[Zep]

The beeb article seems to significantly over estimate the cost of charging at home. The real world experience of my boss says that for 18k miles (1 year) it cost £880. That included charging at home and occasional use of superchargers. Without charging away from home it was just £360. Even with, that’s 5p a mile vs 15p a mile for a 60 mpg diesel.

Anyway, I get it, not everyone has to like them. This thread was someone asking for advice from users, I’m sure they appreciate the responses

 

[drellis]

If its just a city and commuting car 10 miles each way or so they destroy even the 60mpg diesel. As if just short trips the ice engines don't get hot and mpg rubbish. The ev gets better mpg on stop start traffic below 40mph than it does cruising on a motorway.
So if you only drive around town on short trips but have access to a long distance ice if needed then ev wins. If you go on motorway for a decent distance each day then a diesel.

 

[Tallman]

Let’s look at the pure financials of an actual case - mine. If I compare my i3 to my Merc 180 W169, then I pay R0.33 per km for electricity and R2,00 per km for petrol. That is not counting any electricity I generate from my solar. That’s a factor of 6, so it’s a no brainer.

If I compare the i3 with a similar spec new 118i, I would pay R1,47 per km petrol for the latter. I would have to add R0.70 extra depreciation to the i3 to make it comparable over 5 years and 20k km/12.5k miles per year as the i3 is a bit more expensive to buy.

So total comparable cost for the i3 would then be R1,03 per km. The 118i is then 43% more expensive in use before any tax implications (for SA that is nothing by the way, no money for subsidies…). Still a no brainer from a purely financial point of view - nothing to do with statistics, just pure actual use. And if I installed some extra solar panels the difference would get bigger in the i3‘s favour (incl. depreciation of the panels).

 

[Lozzer]

Let’s look at the pure financials of an actual case - mine. If I compare my i3 to my Merc 180 W169, then I pay R0.33 per km for electricity and R2,00 per km for petrol. That is not counting any electricity I generate from my solar. That’s a factor of 6, so it’s a no brainer.

If I compare the i3 with a similar spec new 118i, I would pay R1,47 per km petrol for the latter. I would have to add R0.70 extra depreciation to the i3 to make it comparable over 5 years and 20k km/12.5k miles per year as the i3 is a bit more expensive to buy.

So total comparable cost for the i3 would then be R1,03 per km. The 118i is then 43% more expensive in use before any tax implications (for SA that is nothing by the way, no money for subsidies…). Still a no brainer from a purely financial point of view - nothing to do with statistics, just pure actual use. And if I installed some extra solar panels the difference would get bigger in the i3‘s favour (incl. depreciation of the panels).

That's brilliant, you're talking financial reasons for buying one, the point is they are trying to sell the EV as an environmentally friendly method of transport and we all should have one so we can all save the planet, ********. Disregarding it as the cheaper option, even though it may be for now it won't be for long. Its all bollox.

 

[Tallman]

That's brilliant, you're talking financial reasons for buying one, the point is they are trying to sell the EV as an environmentally friendly method of transport and we all should have one so we can all save the planet, ****. Disregarding it as the cheaper option, even though it may be for now it won't be for long. Its all bollox.

The point is that it’s both financially AND environmentally better than ICE. Unless you have new facts that go against what most governments and international institutions believe based on science and research I think I’ll stick to that. That doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy an ICE, but what I don’t get is people denying and obfuscating without coming up with the goods (facts). I call bollox on that

 

[Lozzer]

The point is that it’s both financially AND environmentally better than ICE. Unless you have new facts that go against what most governments and international institutions believe based on science and research I think I’ll stick to that. That doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy an ICE, but what I don’t get is people denying and obfuscating without coming up with the goods (facts). I call bollox on that

That's my point, the figures regarding ICE have been around for literally decades (a lot of them) let's see the real world EV figures? Starting with manufacture to real world use, and not made up Government or Al Gore ones either! Now I'm calling bollox. (wish we had the sunshine to employ a gazillion solar panels ) So let's see some EV facts...

 

[Italiano]

As technologies stand at the moment, if you buy a brand new EV then everything about it is not your problem.

The next persons problem is that the battery pack itself has a shelf life of seven years in ideal and optimal conditions.

The UK is not optimal conditions.

So cold climate has direct impact on batteries, so shelf life will be reduced.

Battery packs are not recyclable so they are land fill items.

So without moaning anymore, how are they environmentally friendly, you dont want to live next to a radioactive landfill site, would you live next to a battery cell land fill site ???.

That's my short moan as this subject can go on for years and if I've done the research then that's for me to come to a conclusion.
If you believe the government, the that's your cross to bear

 

[Lozzer]

Dieselgate claims, show me someone that bought a diesel car on the Governments recommendation because they thought it was better for the environment and I will show you a liar. They bought a diesel car because it was cheaper to run. Anyone else see a pattern emerging?

 

[rockits]

The problem for me is I don't trust or believe a word of my govt tells me. I mainly have to find out myself so tend to ignore what my govt tells me.

 

[rockits]

I looked at options a while back when we ditched my wife's 5 yo Discovery Sport Diesel for a new MG ZS EV.

There were a few reasons why.

I felt prices had platuead and it was a good time to sell. It was a £52k car new for the 1st owner and £26k to us after 3 years. We sold it after 2 years at 5 years old for £26k. I can buy the same car back now 6 months later for circa £5k less.

Oldest child was just changing schools that was now half a mile away not 3 miles away. So an EV makes a lot of sense for lots of short local brief journeys for many reasons.

It was a company car so was fairly tax efficient.

It was a nice new car likely to go wrong less than a 5 yo Discovery Sport Diesel with DPF.

Was the same price level and not a silly £40k+ premium priced EV.

It didn't have a transmitter, app or black box which is good.

If we did regular longer journeys we wouldn't have bought it. If it cost more or there was less tax incentive we wouldn't have bought it.

If I had to drive it much we wouldn't have bought it

It does have some stupid overbearing safety tech I cannot on with and would stop me buying the car or I'd have to get it coded out. A friend I know had an SQ5 and ditched it because he couldn't live with the overbearing safety tech.