EV and advice from any users please!

[rockits]

The other thing I forgot to mention was I don't do enough miles to warrant an EV making much sense for my use.

I also sometimes need something pretty practical for work so a midsize crossover like the MG ZS EV isn't ideal for me. Anything bigger just gets roos expensive. I have a £3k Cayenne for work at the moment so cannot see any way that replacing it with a suitable EV could make any sense at all.

I think it depends on your use primarily.

 

[BennyD]

I just hope the European manufacturers are going to bring cheaper options on the market before we get flooded by the Chinese. This could well be another manufacturer take-over from the east if they are caught napping with all the consequences. I didn’t like Trump (at all - and that is being polite), but the one thing he did do was go after China with tariffs. If there is one thing we’ve learnt since February it is not to trust / engage / trade with countries with authoritarian regimes as it will come back to bite you. This is where government has a role as entrepreneurs, how much we like them, are in it for the money and not necessarily long term strategic goals (in which the Chinese in fact are masters…).

Mad maybe, but I'd rather have s diesel dump truck rather than any b4stard milk-fliat derivative. Money isn't everything, self esteem is worth far more.

 

[Zep]

I don’t want to prolong this, as it’s abundant that neither side will be persuaded but:

The next persons problem is that the battery pack itself has a shelf life of seven years in ideal and optimal conditions.

The life of a battery is measured in cycles not time. There are many lithium based chemistries with life spans of over 500,000 cycles. The 7 years is based on old data. As for optimal conditions, you are confusing capacity (lower in cold weather) with longevity, two different things.

Battery packs are not recyclable so they are land fill items.

Not so, there are now multiple start ups and proven recycling technology for Lithium based batteries. In the future it will be a circular economy like lead acid batteries are now. That is after down cycling, where old batteries which no longer support high load applications like cars are used in lower load applications like home batteries. So they could be in circulation for decades.

Just so you know, the government didn’t tell me this. I work with batteries every day. 5 years ago I held the same view as you, but seeing the progress in the longevity, re-usability and recyclability, the economic and environmental maths are changing, day by day and it’s only going one way.

I love my petrol car and will use it for as long as I can - e-fuels will, I hope, make sure this is for a long time. I just want to make the most of it, not burn it sat in traffic on the M1.

 

[BennyD]

I don’t want to prolong this, as it’s abundant that neither side will be persuaded but:


The life of a battery is measured in cycles not time. There are many lithium based chemistries with life spans of over 500,000 cycles. The 7 years is based on old data. As for optimal conditions, you are confusing capacity (lower in cold weather) with longevity, two different things.




Not so, there are now multiple start ups and proven recycling technology for Lithium based batteries. In the future it will be a circular economy like lead acid batteries are now. That is after down cycling, where old batteries which no longer support high load applications like cars are used in lower load applications like home batteries. So they could be in circulation for decades.

Just so you know, the government didn’t tell me this. I work with batteries every day. 5 years ago I held the same view as you, but seeing the progress in the longevity, re-usability and recyclability, the economic and environmental maths are changing, day by day and it’s only going one way.

I love my petrol car and will use it for as long as I can - e-fuels will, I hope, make sure this is for a long time. I just want to make the most of it, not burn it sat in traffic on the M1.

Jeez mate, you sound like hard work. All you need to say is; petrol is good, electric is for c*nts.

 

[Lozzer]

I don’t want to prolong this, as it’s abundant that neither side will be persuaded but:


The life of a battery is measured in cycles not time. There are many lithium based chemistries with life spans of over 500,000 cycles. The 7 years is based on old data. As for optimal conditions, you are confusing capacity (lower in cold weather) with longevity, two different things.




Not so, there are now multiple start ups and proven recycling technology for Lithium based batteries. In the future it will be a circular economy like lead acid batteries are now. That is after down cycling, where old batteries which no longer support high load applications like cars are used in lower load applications like home batteries. So they could be in circulation for decades.

Just so you know, the government didn’t tell me this. I work with batteries every day. 5 years ago I held the same view as you, but seeing the progress in the longevity, re-usability and recyclability, the economic and environmental maths are changing, day by day and it’s only going one way.

I love my petrol car and will use it for as long as I can - e-fuels will, I hope, make sure this is for a long time. I just want to make the most of it, not burn it sat in traffic on the M1.

So by not wanting to prolong this debate you are actually going to prolong it? . Ooh the market loves a good startup.....Go Zep!.....

 

[Zep]

So by not wanting to prolong this debate you are actually going to prolong it? . Ooh the market loves a good startup.....Go Zep!.....

It was going to anyway, so where’s the harm . Anyway, people should choose what they want, both to believe and to drive.

 

[rockits]

I'll keep an open mind like I do on anything these days. Stuff changes, I learn more and revise my views or positions accordingly. The world is not static so why should my opinions or views.

EV's early do have a great place and use for some people for some of the time. It is not for everyone and everyone should have a free choice and free to decide what they want to do for themselves. No govt should dictate or force anyone to do anything in this regard unless clearly it is massively detrimental to society on a massive level. No car is going to be that important on a global level with everything else considered. Especially on the mileage I do.

As Zep says battery tech is moving fast so knowledge and research should allow us to sweat these assets for many many years. We already know car batteries can be repurposed to domestic battery storage for homes as a second life. As long as the political will and narrative supports this of course. Our govts do lots of things just because they can and want to. They don't always make sense or are right. Or are often right for the average Joe or majority tax payer.

I think it is pretty clear we can expect govts to tax the sh1t out of EV's once they have have become further adopted. So it will be much less of a financial decision soon.

A daily commute grind EV clearly makes much sense for many. I think the XJL would be great with an EV drivetrain. However, I can completely understand anyone that my says.....screw it.....I have one life and I want to enjoy it. It doesn't make sense but why does it need to. It will cost twice as much but it makes me three times happier.

It doesn't bother me what others do so much now just be true to yourself and do what you think is right for yourself. I've learned to worry less about some others as many others don't really care about me so it makes little sense to worry.

 

[rockits]

I spend a lot of time learning for others these days and information out there on various Internet platforms/podcasts.

I've enjoyed spending some time learning about Stanley Meyer the last few weeks. Interesting and clever guy clearly.

 

[Phil H]

I'm a fully paid up luddite as far as EV's go but, thinking laterally, we could have the best of both worlds if someone could find a way to burn electricity in a combustion engine; all you'd need is some sort of electric storage device to act as a fuel cell, and the eco-warriors would be overjoyed at the thought of petrolheads electricheads joining their happy band.

Eat yer heart out Einstein......

 

[rockits]

So the Hydrogen ICE car is the way forward then. We all have solar panels and generate Hydrogen on site in our houses with a plug in generator to top up the car tank each day. Sounds good to me.

 

[Italiano]

I'll stick with my QP GTS........the people still have choice ( for now )
Individuality is a precious thing

 

[Italiano]

Extortionate cost of charging EVs at motorway service stations

CHARGING an EV at a service station can be far more expensive than filling up.

www.express.co.uk

 

[safrane]

Posted a similar item last week with my local network putting their price up to 0.57p kwh... and that's not even on the motorway network.

The fact that this is not taxed in the same way as carbon fuels indicates the profit being made by someone.

 

[Wack61]

Model S for €22,500

It's done a few KMs though , 700,000

 

[Italiano]

This is Maserati Territory

Not Tesla

Just saying

 

[Alan Surrey]

My little i3 is just great. 125 mpg is what a petrol car would have to do around town to beat it. So no price anxiety for me anytime I drive past a filling station. Cruises on the motorway with the big boys (most of them anyway.) Out accelerates most (7 seconds, I think 0-60) and handles brilliantly. Not bad for a shopping/commuting car.
Oh and because it has a relatively small battery, I just plug it into the house's ring main - any 3 pin socket - and it recharges overnight, so I don't spend any time in filling stations with it anyway.
Recently drove from mid surrey to Rochester and back and still had enough left to make it to Bromley. Reasonable range, then
Just don't confuse it with a Maserati.

 

[drellis]

My little i3 is just great. 125 mpg is what a petrol car would have to do around town to beat it. So no price anxiety for me anytime I drive past a filling station. Cruises on the motorway with the big boys (most of them anyway.) Out accelerates most (7 seconds, I think 0-60) and handles brilliantly. Not bad for a shopping/commuting car.
Oh and because it has a relatively small battery, I just plug it into the house's ring main - any 3 pin socket - and it recharges overnight, so I don't spend any time in filling stations with it anyway.
Recently drove from mid surrey to Rochester and back and still had enough left to make it to Bromley. Reasonable range, then
Just don't confuse it with a Maserati.

I find the i3 handles great up to 80%. If you really push on its all over the place. Reminds me of the handling when you past the limit on mu friends old datsun cherry

 

[drellis]

Might be the 175 width tyres

 

[drellis]

0-30 is comically fast, as a new amg found out, his mate in the passenger seat was laughing

 

[RodTungsten]

Have my son’s Tesla today and 30-60 is shocking; probably faster than my bike….