England Wales N Ireland! Wheres Scotland?

[Elliott653]

london has more chance of existing as an independant soveriegn state than scotlaand.

Rich as Croesus, I tell ya!

 

[allandwf]

Its probably the failure of neo-socialist policies of labour and the abberration of a Con-Dem shotgun marriage that has spurred things on in the last few years..........and as ever people will more likely vote against something.....than for something.

No-one truly knows what will happen.......bizarrely you could find Scotland "independent", will be a closer ally as a separate entity than they are currently as a disgruntled union member.

There are gains............and there will be loses.....................


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That hits the nail on the head for a lot of voters north of the borders, after discovering tactical voting to make sure the Tories could not get in, then Labour were no better, there is now a feeling of anti " better the devil you know". You will always have the die hard Labours and Tories, but the middle ground could be swayed more easily purely for the reasons you mentioned.

 

[nfm]

The quote is obviously a comic exaggeration, I wouldn't take it too seriously.

 

[reservoirfrog]

I dont take the quote seriously at all, when seen in its origanal place, in a film. but when someone uses it out of that place to characterise a race of people then that is just F*cking insulting and racist

 

[nfm]

Well it wasn't intended that way; apologies.

 

[conaero]

Okay guys, time to chill here. I appreciate the humour of the quote in the context of the film and I appreciate that Rob has taken offense. NFM, I am sure Rob will accept your apology and see you meant no malice.

I think we should keep any further comments on topic as the content of this thread has wandered.

Play nice.

 

[cobratwin]

Personally I think the Scottish and Welsh should stay part of the UK forever!
We should also be subsidised by the UK, we have had our natural resources raped by the "UK" causing us to lose our independence and any chance of regaining it within the foreseeable future.
We are not in a situation to support ourselves and quite frankly if we were to become "independent" in the near future it would be the downfall of our country's

NB this all happened well before any of us were born and I don't hold the English in contempt because of history between our country's. It is just a fact of what happened.

 

[conaero]

Dave, I think your right. Besides, how are us English ever to win Wimbledon if you take Murray away from us?

 

[Elliott653]

Personally I think the Scottish and Welsh should stay part of the UK forever!
We should also be subsidised by the UK, we have had our natural resources raped by the "UK" causing us to lose our independence and any chance of regaining it within the foreseeable future.
We are not in a situation to support ourselves and quite frankly if we were to become "independent" in the near future it would be the downfall of our country's

NB this all happened well before any of us were born and I don't hold the English in contempt because of history between our country's. It is just a fact of what happened.

Without London's money, most of your resources would not have been "raped".

"FREEDOM FOR LONDON!!!"

 

[Parisien]

Without Londons huge financial losses/mess-ups in the 1920/30s.....and just 5 years ago....we would have been a lot better off!!!!!




Incarceration for LONDON!


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[hodroyd]

We still need to think of Britain as an Island. Years ago this island had lot's of different tribes living in it and still does. When we all lived in straw huts, or caves, then your tribe was your life and no outsiders were really welcome. Life has moved on a bit since then and all the tribes have joined together to make one nation, strong and prosperous working together..!!
If Salmon wants to go back to the stone age and be the leader of his tribe to the exclusion of all others, he has a lot to learn and could ruin the prospects of the people he is supposed to care about. I just do not understand where this concept comes from, we all live in the same country, we jst have areas with different ways of speaking, but we are still all British. If Salmon does not want to be British, let him emigrate somewhere else, we can get on without him. Fanatics are the worst kind of politician and I hope the northern tribes tell him so..!!

There is a case for N. Ireland to have a referendum, as that is part of a different island, even though lot's there are happy to be classed as British, but that is another story.

 

[Parisien]

Britian has only attained greatness.......by endless waves of immigrants and outsiders( both internally and externally)......whether welcome or not. It has always been a in a constant state of flux...................this is just one of them.

If the Scottish people feel the need for independence on whatever terms then so be it...after all if the "union" has been so successful.......why after 300 years do they want to separate? Remember the UK is just a nother variation on what the EU is now...works for a while....then falls apart.


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[davy83]

Man what a thread! I think the SNP gained a lot of votes because of the incompetence of the other parties and not a general support for independence. They have generally done quite well as local government this is the main reason they have stayed in the Scottish government. Their manifesto said they would hold a referendum and so voting for them was not a vote for independence it was a vote for a referendum, which will most likely be a no vote and the SNP know it. That why they wanted devo-max in the ballot to squeeze a little more out of it. There is no burning mood for independence up here I don't think, I am certainly not aware of it. I think assuming that Scotland cannot survive economically is not the core of this as I think Scotland has more industry than you think, but the way oil revenues and the national debt are carved up in the unlikely event of separation, I think would have most impact on this, as a large proportion of HMRC revenue comes from oil related taxes. The real question is what western countries will do to survive in the future given all heavy industry is migrating to the far east, we have no longer any large employers of unskilled labour, and it shows in our unemployment figures. We have built a layer of social support and government infrastructure which is larger that our remaining (and shrinking) industries can support. I don't think any government can create a solution to this, UK or Scottish. So i suspect we are not going to become independent, but we all need a plan!

 

[dem maser]

Best thread of the year goes to......


Yes its nice to have some real issues discussed on here sometimes

 

[hodroyd]

Nice slant on the subject Davy, interesting..!!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the oil was virtually exhausted now anyway, if it is then the revenue will only go down. Scotland does have some industry, but the business sector has to be sufficient to accomodate the population as a whole and provide the income to support the government as is when it comes to providing social support services, whatever they are. To be self sufficient is not easy these days and spending more than you earn for some is the inevitable nightmare, unless you cut your cloth accordingly. Do you think Scotland can stand on it's own without outside money to cover the populations needs on education, health etc., if that's doubtfull, the people could be facing a pretty hard future.

 

[Parisien]

Put it like this Rob......the Norwegians with their share of oil revenue built up an investment fund of $800 billions in the last 40 years......only a population of 5/6 millions....Scotland the same..........how well off would the Scottish be now if they had asked for independence then?


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[hodroyd]

Frank,
But that's like us in Yorkshire saying Oh that's our oil and we want it for ourselves..?? The fact that the fields are well out in to the North Sea, but are within British Waters, does not mean that anybody in Britain can just claim them as their own, that's a joke and everybody knows it. Norway could have said, "Denmark, if you are interested we have some oil out in the sea by you, do you fancy it for yourself". Britain piled in a load of cash to get those fields established, as well as the oil companies, so the idea is we just hand them over to anybody that wants them..?? It's all pie in the sky..!!
Cheers
R

 

[Elliott653]

Without Londons huge financial losses/mess-ups in the 1920/30s.....and just 5 years ago....we would have been a lot better off!!!!!




Incarceration for LONDON!



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Londoners didn't do that. We only facilitated it. We're all cheeky chappies and lady flower sellers. "' Orlroight mate? Ow's yer farver?"

 

[Parisien]

Not quite...they then would have been Scottish territorial waters......ie....or an area divided up according to nearest country to explore/exploit

Splitting hairs there Elliott....


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[Elliott653]

Frank,
But that's like us in Yorkshire saying Oh that's our oil and we want it for ourselves..?? The fact that the fields are well out in to the North Sea, but are within British Waters, does not mean that anybody in Britain can just claim them as their own, that's a joke and everybody knows it. Norway could have said, "Denmark, if you are interested we have some oil out in the sea by you, do you fancy it for yourself". Britain piled in a load of cash to get those fields established, as well as the oil companies, so the idea is we just hand them over to anybody that wants them..?? It's all pie in the sky..!!
Cheers
R

This. It is not Scotland's oil. Scotland did not develop the oil fields alone and so should not benefit solely from any profits after independence.