Ding Ding, Round 2 - F1 - Sepang, Malaysia.

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I watched it, and really enjoyed it, but the tyre thing has gone too far. It's great to see good racing, but they're now stopping the teams want to be fastest around the track in quail' and the performance of the cars across the teams has been completely nullified by how they use their tyres. The cars and drivers are meant to be the factors that determine the result, not the blooody tyre maker!
 

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Tyres have always played a big part Miles...look back 70/80 yrs ago....same issues!!!!!

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Tyres have always played a big part Miles...look back 70/80 yrs ago....same issues!!!!!

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Yep, agree...they always have had a major part on who gets across the line first.....Look after your tyres and your tyres will after you........Just think it's good we have seen 5 different winners this year out of 5 races....
 

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Not sure you can go back 70/80 years P! Yes I agree with the principle of tyres having a fundamental part to play, but there have been numerous occasions recently when teams didn't put their cars into Q3 to save a set of tyres, so already there's a thinking that the state of the tyres overrides the advantage of grid position. That's fundamentally wrong! Pirelli have done a great job, but to me they seem to be playing too big a part now. Just imagine a different scenario as an example...how different would it be if there were two tyre manufacturers? Both working to the required restrictions, but each out to better the other? At the moment Pirelli are in cahoots with the FIA. They're not there to enhance the cars performance, they're there to enhance the spectacle. This is MOTOR racing! The car is number one, the driver is number two and the tyres should be number three. That ain't what we've got at the moment.
 

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Fraid so Miles.....back in the 20s....when tyre technology was quite primitive......they still had a bearing on outcomes of races.......

Granted.....things are way more contrived and regulated now but its only a variation on a theme in my eyes!


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I watched it, and really enjoyed it, but the tyre thing has gone too far. It's great to see good racing, but they're now stopping the teams want to be fastest around the track in quail' and the performance of the cars across the teams has been completely nullified by how they use their tyres. The cars and drivers are meant to be the factors that determine the result, not the blooody tyre maker!

Hi Guys,

Well that was probably one of the best races in the last 10 years for me,,, I was standing up at the end I could not sit down...

Williams deserved the win, they took the race to ferrari, and ferrari failed to respond, that tactic won them the race, Lotus lost because of a small tactical error, in my opinion. There were races going on all over the track, everybody was having his own issues...


Alonso responded as he needed to, but he stayed in the dirty air of the williams for to long and his tyres went off... Williams on the otherhand called out, preserve your tyres, and it worked. Great tactics by everyone...

I understand your frustration Miles, and to some extent tyres do limit a truly fast driver to show he is faster than anyone else, but equally I feel what you said, "The cars and drivers are meant to be the factors " and I think they are, the car, tyres & driver are all part of the factors, just like when someone does a good job in the rain, conditions are everything... A good driver like Alonso,Lewis,Button etc are all capable of driving well, extracting the best out of a limited package, driving round the car sometimes...


Its also why I made an early call this year, (first race) and said I thought Button & sch would do well, ( I admit I am not doing to well so far!!) but I picked these drivers because they are smooth on tyres and driving style... and we will just have to see, if they come back at any point this year...

But great race guys really awesome!!!!!!!... now we will find out who can really drive a car... its not good in my mind, when results come down to finances.... i.e. big budgets normally win more than small budgets... and we have been tracking this path for the last 20 years....

Ozzie
 

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Well said Ozzie a great race and to be honest 2012 is shaping up to be a great year .....
 

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I missed it as I was at Beaulieu so I am going to record it off of one of the many repeats on Sky F1.
 

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Not sure you can go back 70/80 years P! Yes I agree with the principle of tyres having a fundamental part to play, but there have been numerous occasions recently when teams didn't put their cars into Q3 to save a set of tyres, so already there's a thinking that the state of the tyres overrides the advantage of grid position. That's fundamentally wrong! Pirelli have done a great job, but to me they seem to be playing too big a part now. Just imagine a different scenario as an example...how different would it be if there were two tyre manufacturers? Both working to the required restrictions, but each out to better the other? At the moment Pirelli are in cahoots with the FIA. They're not there to enhance the cars performance, they're there to enhance the spectacle. This is MOTOR racing! The car is number one, the driver is number two and the tyres should be number three. That ain't what we've got at the moment.


Very, very well said!
 

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Loved the race yesterday, Maldonaldo first two races - break down on second to last lap.. he did it! Congrats. Lewis ran a good race yesterday too not forgetting where he started, he should be proud and very unlucky where he came out from the pits after the wheel hold up. Kimi - wow what a come back for Lotus. Well done to Alonso, great podium all deserved. This season is just pure gold, am loving it, making everyone drive. Not sure about the Sch issue... Anyhow roll on the next race Monaco ...... whoo hoo...
 

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Wow, 5 races in and 5 different winners...
As already said, season is hotting up nicely :D
Has to be said that Pirelli have delivered exactly what they were asked to do,
but I agree with Miles in that it is currently making up too much of the overall package...
 

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Really enjoying this year so far Enzo....Dan is loving it also....I'm taking him to Donington this Sunday to watch the QP's racing in the Italian Superstars series...His first race meet...He is so excited...
 

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Really enjoying this year so far Enzo....Dan is loving it also....I'm taking him to Donington this Sunday to watch the QP's racing in the Italian Superstars series...His first race meet...He is so excited...

Would love to attend one of the races this year...so enjoyed seeing the MC-12s race at Silverstone, would be fantastic to see the QPs on track,
have a great time Andy and Dan :D, take a few pics :D
 

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Around 9ish......Not really decided. Will get in gear and let you know.....If it's raining it will be me and Dan...If its sunny Liz and Alex will be there as well.
 

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Around 9ish......Not really decided. Will get in gear and let you know.....If it's raining it will be me and Dan...If its sunny Liz and Alex will be there as well.

Jolly good. I'm riding the Celtic Trail next week, so if I can get my training ride in on Saturday I'll be there bright and breezy, but if I need to do a quick run on Sunday am, I'll see you there a bit later.
 

Andyk

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That greatMiles...Look forward to it....Don't think The QP's race until 11:00......Must check the schedule.