Defacing Statues

Silvercat

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you can have second dibs and that's a heck of lot of box hedging:lol:
Previous owner of the house loved box hedging so she planted 646 individual bushes along the paths which I have to cut individually once a year. Takes me a week to do them working 8 hrs a day. But looks really good when its done. So just missing a nice statue. :D
 

lifes2short

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Previous owner of the house loved box hedging so she planted 646 individual bushes along the paths which I have to cut individually once a year. Takes me a week to do them working 8 hrs a day. But looks really good when its done. So just missing a nice statue. :D

blimey must be backbreaking, I get fed up just doing my laurels
 

Silvercat

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blimey must be backbreaking, I get fed up just doing my laurels
It is...I've cut through the electric cable 5 times now. Good job I've got an RCD connected. Looking to get a petrol trimmer.
Ive also got Laurel and Yew hedges to do. Turning into a fulltime job!
 

Oneball

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Previous owner of the house loved box hedging so she planted 646 individual bushes along the paths which I have to cut individually once a year. Takes me a week to do them working 8 hrs a day. But looks really good when its done. So just missing a nice statue. :D

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pjondeck

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I’m confused, I thought this was a Maserati forum. There must be plenty of lefty history denial forums without having to push this BS down our throats here!? Wanderer, wander off! Hi


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MarkMas

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Are we being duped , a black perspective, what does it take to open your eyes Mark , check this guy out , he's an eminent writer


You are trying so hard!

He is not 'an eminent writer', he is someone with a podcast and one self-published book.

This is just one voice, and also a voice yelling, which I don't really appreciate.

He is also a bit confused, or deliberately deceptive. People are kneeling not because 'they are on their knees' but because they are 'taking a knee' acknowledging a mild protest made by Colin Kaepernick, using a well-known American Football action. To spin that into 'white people are on their knees', is a horrible distortion.

He says that white people are feeling guilty and asking for forgiveness for past (and present) racism. That may be so, in some cases, but I am doing neither, and advocating neither. I feel absolutely zero guilt or responsibility for the actions of my forebears or nation (in my case, mainly oppressing Irish tenants in Tipperary). I don't believe in the idea of inherited guilt like that, and have not claimed to do so. And I think the white-person argument along the lines of "I'm feeling cross and righteous because people are saying that white people like me should feel guilty" is a bit odd - as people on here would say, you should just 'get over it', 'walk the other way', 'don't even look at the Panamera'. If a black (or white) person said I should feel guilty about the actions or advantages of my past I would be happy to tell them to feck off. BUT, I do realise that the advantages of my past (good genes, money, a fine education, etc, etc) have given me quite extraordinary opportunities that other people have not enjoyed, and I do feel a bit guilty, in the here-and-now, about relying on them and squandering them to quite such an extent. But oh, well....

It's not about historic white guilt, it is about current black disadvantage, some of which happens to linked to the past. It is not about white people paying for past sins, it is about those people who are currently lucky enough to be unencumbered by the effects of racism, recognising that it might be an issue, and trying to do something about it, rather than searching the internet for reasons to pretend it isn't an issue. It is not about all white people living in 'privileged luxury' (and 'white privilege' is such a terrible term), its about white people being lucky enough to be able to go around in a blithe 'default' existence (unless they are Gingers, obvio.), never being questioned for 'driving a flash car while black' or 'walking in a nice neighbourhood while black'.

If you are a white person, who does not recognise that black people are routinely disadvantaged in the UK and elsewhere, then you are, in my personal opinion, not paying attention or actively deluding yourself. The task is not to find reasons to say, 'oh, poor me, I'm being attacked' or 'yes, but, this is not a problem' or 'loo at this black person behaving badly' or 'look at these three black people who say everything is ok'; the challenge is say 'yes, I see the problem, and I would like to help'. Not because of guilt or riots or 'political correctness', but because that's the right thing to do.
 

MarkMas

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I’m confused, I thought this was a Maserati forum. There must be plenty of lefty history denial forums without having to push this BS down our throats here!? Wanderer, wander off! Hi

Yeah, it is supposed to be, but we get a bit carried away with side-issues! And I think even those of on the fringes of these debates would agree that the BS being shoved down people's throats comes from all ends of the spectrum, even if it seems (all) lefty to you. What I would say is that we mostly manage to stay quite civilised about it - probably because of the Maserati cohesion that prevents anyone going full Goodwin too often.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
 

Migliore

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I enjoy being able view well structured different opinions and form my own, this forum provides far better content than the "comments below" rubbish.
BTW is this a five minute argument ?
 

Goodfella

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You are trying so hard!

He is not 'an eminent writer', he is someone with a podcast and one self-published book.

This is just one voice, and also a voice yelling, which I don't really appreciate.

He is also a bit confused, or deliberately deceptive. People are kneeling not because 'they are on their knees' but because they are 'taking a knee' acknowledging a mild protest made by Colin Kaepernick, using a well-known American Football action. To spin that into 'white people are on their knees', is a horrible distortion.

He says that white people are feeling guilty and asking for forgiveness for past (and present) racism. That may be so, in some cases, but I am doing neither, and advocating neither. I feel absolutely zero guilt or responsibility for the actions of my forebears or nation (in my case, mainly oppressing Irish tenants in Tipperary). I don't believe in the idea of inherited guilt like that, and have not claimed to do so. And I think the white-person argument along the lines of "I'm feeling cross and righteous because people are saying that white people like me should feel guilty" is a bit odd - as people on here would say, you should just 'get over it', 'walk the other way', 'don't even look at the Panamera'. If a black (or white) person said I should feel guilty about the actions or advantages of my past I would be happy to tell them to feck off. BUT, I do realise that the advantages of my past (good genes, money, a fine education, etc, etc) have given me quite extraordinary opportunities that other people have not enjoyed, and I do feel a bit guilty, in the here-and-now, about relying on them and squandering them to quite such an extent. But oh, well....

It's not about historic white guilt, it is about current black disadvantage, some of which happens to linked to the past. It is not about white people paying for past sins, it is about those people who are currently lucky enough to be unencumbered by the effects of racism, recognising that it might be an issue, and trying to do something about it, rather than searching the internet for reasons to pretend it isn't an issue. It is not about all white people living in 'privileged luxury' (and 'white privilege' is such a terrible term), its about white people being lucky enough to be able to go around in a blithe 'default' existence (unless they are Gingers, obvio.), never being questioned for 'driving a flash car while black' or 'walking in a nice neighbourhood while black'.

If you are a white person, who does not recognise that black people are routinely disadvantaged in the UK and elsewhere, then you are, in my personal opinion, not paying attention or actively deluding yourself. The task is not to find reasons to say, 'oh, poor me, I'm being attacked' or 'yes, but, this is not a problem' or 'loo at this black person behaving badly' or 'look at these three black people who say everything is ok'; the challenge is say 'yes, I see the problem, and I would like to help'. Not because of guilt or riots or 'political correctness', but because that's the right thing to do.

You feel guilty about your genes?

That’s a new one lol!
 

Wattie

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It seems that statues in the US are fighting back.
Someone forgot the golden rule that If you’re going to pull one down, get out of its way.
:conf1:
Ironically, they were then reliant on the Police clearing away the filming crowd so they could receive emergency treatment.
 

Alexpie

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It seems that statues in the US are fighting back.
Someone forgot the golden rule that If you’re going to pull one down, get out of its way.
:conf1:
Ironically, they were then reliant on the Police clearing away the filming crowd so they could receive emergency treatment.

Fortunately he hasn't died. I'd imagine his injuries will be pretty serious though having that fall on his head.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-injured-toppling-confederate-statue-virginia-n1229706