CLOSED Brexit Poll

[Wattie]

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Cheers Wattie

 

[MrMickS]

Last post from me on this before I leave the country for a couple of weeks. Hopefully I won't have to explain a Brexit to my French colleagues on Friday. Then again I may be able to compensate by drinking some of their rather fine wine.

My feeling is that there is a Maserati kind of decision going on here. Whilst I quite understand the desire of people to go with their gut rather than their head. I wouldn't be driving to Italy in a Ghibli if I didn't. I hope people will look at the reality behind the false claims on both sides and err toward the cautious approach and trying to work together with our neighbours to solve common problems.

The worst thing about this whole Brexit thing is that it's taken 6-12 months so far away from dealing with the real issues. If we vote out I fear that it will be another 6-12 months wrangling before we can look at them again.


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[BennyD]

The problem is, working with our neighbours to solve common problems just doesn't work and that's why a growing number of us want to leave. The French press for legislation but ignore it when it doesn't suit, the Germans will end up running it for themselves and if we vote to stay in, they will take it that we are happy with the way it's going and f*ck us over even more. However, if we vote to leave, and I hope we do, how long before the Euro 'elite' will offer concessions and more of a say if we have another vote to stay in. This, IIRC, has already been done with a previous YES vote.

 

[hilts uk]

The Farage poster and the murder of Jo Cox have swung the odds of remain in a massive way. Project Fear won't be needed anymore which is just as well as it was having the opposite effect. The remain campaign now just has to plant the seed that anyone who votes to leave supports Farage and is racist while the remainers are doing God's work. It will swing the vital few % their way. Leave has gone from 5/4 to 11/4. Game over I think.

 

[daverichardson]

Many a slip twixt cup & lip

(but you are probably right)

 

[wink]

I think that after the referendum the EU must look at how to address the antagonism that's grown in many of the member states, whichever way it goes. If we leave, there will certainly be a temptation for France & Germany to quickly sever all trade ties so that other anti-EU movements are not encouraged. I hope we will stay, that we will see an end to ongoing austerity and that cooperation will defeat insularity. I can't see any future UK government wanting to hold another referendum in a hurry after this experience. However, as someone who's not in any political party, I've met a lot of people in the local 'remain' campaign from across the whole political spectrum (well, from the Tories leftwards, plus one ex-UKIP defector), who have impressed me with their decency, humanity and non-tribal approach.

 

[greeny12]

Hilts has it spot on. The odds have widened further since his post, too. Farage just simply can't see that the "immigration war" was already won among those seeking Brexit primarily for that reason. Their views were never going to change, but moderate waverers of all political persuasions will be utterly repelled by the latest poster, and that will drive them - out of embarrassment as much as anything - towards the "In" crowd. Even I have had cause to doubt myself, such is the stigma they've created.

I wouldn't mind betting that the final margin in favour of remain will be in excess of 60-40...

 

[highlander]

The Farage poster and the murder of Jo Cox have swung the odds of remain in a massive way. Project Fear won't be needed anymore which is just as well as it was having the opposite effect. The remain campaign now just has to plant the seed that anyone who votes to leave supports Farage and is racist while the remainers are doing God's work. It will swing the vital few % their way. Leave has gone from 5/4 to 11/4. Game over I think.

bookies are rarely wrong..........I agree, game over.

 

[StuartW]

bookies are rarely wrong..........

Agreed, except for the last general election which they said was way too close to call and they didn't know either way which way it was going to end up. It was far from close of course!

 

[GeoffCapes]

I used to like Farage, thinking that he was a bit different from the norm, and actually says what he thinks.

I now cannot stand him for the exact same reason, as what he thinks is truly shocking.
His views are so right wing, I reckon he'd struggle to get into the UK Facist party (if there is such a thing!).
I won't even go there on that poster.......

 

[daverichardson]

I still do like him
He answers questions put to him
I may not agree with his answers but I am fed up with these P*** Poor Politicians

 

[Wack61]

I used to like Farage, thinking that he was a bit different from the norm, and actually says what he thinks.

I won't even go there on that poster.......

where are all the women,children and elderly in that picture, it mostly looks like young men under 35

Farage says what a lot of people think, rightly or wrongly, ukip is only on the fringes because of the way the old boys network has the voting rigged

ukip took over 12% of the vote , labour took 30%
CON 36.9
LAB 30.4
UKIP 12.6
LD 7.9
SNP 4.7
GRN 3.8

so why do the seats in parliament look like this , if the tories took 36%/331 seats Ukip 12% how come they don't have 110 seats

Conservative have the following results:
331
Labour have the following results:
232
Scottish National Party have the following results:
56
Liberal Democrat have the following results:
8
UKIP have the following results:
1

 

[Needamaser]

The Liberals always wanted proportional representation because of the way the results get skewed on the first past the post system.
As regards the SNP on basis they were only standing in Scotland they took a lot more than 4% of votes cast.
I don't know the figures but given the number of votes cast in Scotland it probably reflects over 60%.

 

[MrMickS]

I'm all for PR but ironically, given this thread, the only election we have with PR is the European Parliament. The two main parties in the UK will only lose influence with PR so won't introduce it for Westminster.


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[daverichardson]

The vote on Proportional Representation used a first past the post system - ironic or what?

 

[steamer]

Sorry I agree with Dave, Farage has some weird views but he seems to be the only one who actualy bothers to answer and like his views or not he also seems quite educated on the subject.

 

[Wattie]

Sorry I agree with Dave, Farage has some weird views but he seems to be the only one who actualy bothers to answer and like his views or not he also seems quite educated on the subject.

I don't think you need to be sorry.
Farage has been airing his views (often correctly) on the ridiculous goings on in Europe for years....they come across as "extreme" from time to time but he's only sticking up for what he passionately knows to be correct and many of the issues are extreme- immigration being one of them.
Europe has used extreme methods to deal with the extreme problems of the Euro for years and no-one blinks an eye.
It's a pity that being proud of your country is often seen as unquestionably racist nowadays.
cheers wattie

 

[daverichardson]

Interesting isn't it
If you are Welsh you can be proud and patriotic
If you are a sweaty sock (no offence) you can be proud and patriotic
If you are Irish you can be proud and patriotic
If you are American / Canadian / Australian........................
but
If you are English then you are a scoundrel and a racist and by today's accepted means of defining racism then it looks like I am. Although I do not necessarily agree with that

 

[m1980k]

I don't buy that "I can't be patriotic and not be seen as a racist" line.

People having street parties and displaying union jacks for the Queen's birthday - nobody thinks they're racists.

But a political party who portrays people born in other countries as vermin - they absolutely are racists.

 

[StuartW]

But a political party who portrays people born in other countries as vermin - they absolutely are racists.

I couldn't agree more