CLOSED Brexit Poll

[CatmanV2]

Do we not pay money to access markets outwith the EU at the moment, foreign "aid"?

I understand that we tariffs are paid on our goods, just as tariffs are due on goods which we permit to be imported. The idea is that everyone gains something they want.

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[drewf]

We will not be able to maintain the trade aspect without accepting EU regulations with no input into them! Switzerland has to accept free movement of labour and the EU rules.

Switzerland doesn't.

Neither does France, come to that.

The rules as they are actually applied in France are significantly different to how the UK applies the rules for free movement of labour. My view is based on actual experience, not reading articles in newspapers.

 

[CatmanV2]

Switzerland doesn't.

Neither does France, come to that.

The rules as they are actually applied in France are significantly different to how the UK applies the rules for free movement of labour. My view is based on actual experience, not reading articles in newspapers.

That's experience of both CH and France, Drew? Just curious as wiki is clear on what *should* be the case

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[CatmanV2]

This seems curiously appropriate as I look around the internet at some of the debates



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[drewf]

Yes, both C.

In fairness, France has perfectly free movement for the labour itself, just not free movement of those people into actual jobs. Lipservice is paid to the rules, but the reality is very different.

Switzerland has completely different rules. Now, if one is qualified, and a Swiss company wants to hire, then there's little problem for an EU citizen; there is no right to work or residency as such though.

 

[CatmanV2]

Yes, both C.

In fairness, France has perfectly free movement for the labour itself, just not free movement of those people into actual jobs. Lipservice is paid to the rules, but the reality is very different.

Switzerland has completely different rules. Now, if one is qualified, and a Swiss company wants to hire, then there's little problem for an EU citizen; there is no right to work or residency as such though.

Interesting, thanks.

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[daverichardson]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36534192


Latest unfounded scare story
Smacks of desperation to me, however if we do leave he is likely to try and implement it saying I told you so
A scurrilous attack on sacred cows of NHS and personal tax

 

[MrMickS]

Up until the last week the remain camp have been pretty sure that the vote would go their way.

If we vote to leave the economy will dip. The uncertainty about what will happen will cause a dip. Any new investment won't come in until after the new rules are settled.

A dip in the economy will result in a drop in tax revenue. So either borrow more, cut more, or tax more. It won't be borrow so it'll have to be the others. Or is revenue going to miraculously appear?

The "it's bad news so it's a scare story" record wearing a little thin.



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[bigbob]

Up until the last week the remain camp have been pretty sure that the vote would go their way.

If we vote to leave the economy will dip. The uncertainty about what will happen will cause a dip. Any new investment won't come in until after the new rules are settled.

A dip in the economy will result in a drop in tax revenue. So either borrow more, cut more, or tax more. It won't be borrow so it'll have to be the others. Or is revenue going to miraculously appear?

The "it's bad news so it's a scare story" record wearing a little thin.



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Spot on that's why business as a rule does not like big change. We may be better off in 20 years time if we leave but the five year economic downside is reasonably high. As David Smith showed in the Sunday Times, the UK has had the best economic growth of the major European countries since the single market was created. We do ok out of Europe and blaming them for things that go wrong all the time is just cheap, faceless politics.

 

[m1980k]

Spot on that's why business as a rule does not like big change. We may be better off in 20 years time if we leave but the five year economic downside is reasonably high. As David Smith showed in the Sunday Times, the UK has had the best economic growth of the major European countries since the single market was created. We do ok out of Europe and blaming them for things that go wrong all the time is just cheap, faceless politics.

Don't forget the fact that we also have less unemployment than the majority of EU countries. Despite all those immigrants comin over ere and stealin our jobs.

 

[Wack61]

Or is revenue going to miraculously appear?
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the miles you're doing in that Ghibli at 70% tax on fuel we'll be fine

 

[allandwf]

I wonder when the 7 don't knows will make up their minds?

 

[Needamaser]

I wonder when the 7 don't knows will make up their minds?

24th June!

 

[RW3200]

Up until the last week the remain camp have been pretty sure that the vote would go their way.

If we vote to leave the economy will dip. The uncertainty about what will happen will cause a dip. Any new investment won't come in until after the new rules are settled.

A dip in the economy will result in a drop in tax revenue. So either borrow more, cut more, or tax more. It won't be borrow so it'll have to be the others. Or is revenue going to miraculously appear?

The "it's bad news so it's a scare story" record wearing a little thin.


I don't buy this. There's nothing to say that distancing ourselves from the EU would reflect positively and have the opposite effect.
There are a lot of big decisions to be made by the EU this summer and none of the outcomes look good. More and more countries are asking fundamental questions about their association with it, the Dutch recently voted against further closer ties to the union. The Greek economy could crash and the rest of the Med countries are facing even more austerity which the people will not vote for. France and Germany can't agree what to do next with the poorer countries having less and less say in the discussion. Its hardly a union and never was, one size doesn't fit all and there is a refusal to see otherwise.

We will lose a chunk of our rebate in the next few years and be asked to pay more for the access we get because we are the only country associated with the EU showing any prospect of growth. That's before we're asked to contribute to a bail-out fund which we will have to do by association.

Nothing is guaranteed, we just have to come together on June 24th and make the best of whatever situation we find ourselves in.

 

[MrMickS]

the miles you're doing in that Ghibli at 70% tax on fuel we'll be fine

That's a point. Sadly I'm doing most of them in the EU so they'll get he tax


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[SPX]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36534192


Latest unfounded scare story
Smacks of desperation to me, however if we do leave he is likely to try and implement it saying I told you so
A scurrilous attack on sacred cows of NHS and personal tax

If we do vote to Leave I doubt he'll be chancellor for long!

 

[allandwf]

That's a point. Sadly I'm doing most of them in the EU so they'll get he tax


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Drive in Luxembourg, cheap as chips!

 

[CatmanV2]

If we do vote to Leave I doubt he'll be chancellor for long!

He has certainly been savaged for it.

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[2b1ask1]

I think he and Camerfoon have lost all credibility already, a vote of no confidence is inevitable either way I think. TBH the best thing to do is call a general election immediately after the result.

 

[CatmanV2]

I cant see any of the Remain proponents lasting for long if the vote is for leave. Or vice versa, come to that.

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