CLOSED Brexit Poll

[2b1ask1]

Yep, postal vote in black ink, assuming it doesn't get lost it is firmly OUT for all the right reasons, the biggest being that the EU just doesn't work...

 

[zagatoes30]

I have noticed the result of our SM poll has swung appreciably over the last week or so. When I resurrected this thread the split was something like 65% Leave 32% Remain with a few unknowns but look at it now - a swing that would have Peter Snow waving his arms all over the place

 

[bigbob]

I have noticed the result of our SM poll has swung appreciably over the last week or so. When I resurrected this thread the split was something like 65% Leave 32% Remain with a few unknowns but look at it now - a swing that would have Pater Snow waving his arms all over the place

I think that there are two things at work here:

-initially people who reply to these polls have very strong opinions and often want action or change. In this case, leave; and

-in the Scottish Independence Ref, as the date got near people began to weigh up the risks and unknowns and, ultimately, came down in favour of living within current knowns even if some of them were not ideal.

 

[conaero]

I think that there are two things at work here:

-initially people who reply to these polls have very strong opinions and often want action or change. In this case, leave; and

-in the Scottish Independence Ref, as the date got near people began to weigh up the risks and unknowns and, ultimately, came down in favour of living within current knowns even if some of them were not ideal.

I think that is spot on and what will happen, I hope I am proved wrong.

 

[RW3200]

Hopefully my first and last word on this given what I've seen and read.
The EU is indeed a failing experiment, investors show very little confidence in the countries under the Euro. In several countries people are becoming more and more disillusioned with it and it is reflected in increasing unemployment figures and living costs across those countries with already stagnating or struggling economies. We are the first to take a reality check and hold a referendum, I just hope we don't press the snooze button while everyone else is waking up!

The Bank of England DO have a contingency plan so they WILL be able to react quickly to any instability, if indeed there is any. I'm sure we would be just as attractive to investors as they have continued to pump money into the UK, for among other reasons, we are not in the Euro and are better off for it.

And it's not EU money, it's our money.

I'm OUT, for everyone's sake, not just my own, and very optimistic about the future.

 

[RSM Masser]

My only hope is its decisive in one way or the other. I hope we are out, then maybe we can vote on wether we want Scotland or Wales to stay with England. I am not a fan of Nicola Sturgeon at all, she is poison, I respect her beliefs and with Scottish blood I understand, but Luxembourg doesn't seem to be a player on the world stage and Scotland never will be either!!
I am a builder / I can't compete with influx of cheap labour - yes I employ some I have to. They work hard I pay them a wage, but I cannot compete against the never ending tide of cheap labour

 

[m1980k]

We're emerging, slowly, from a brutal recession. Times are tough out there. A lot of people can't afford their rent. Decent blue collar jobs are hard to come buy. People want a scapegoat.

But why blame the EU? Why not look closer to home? Things would be so much better if Blair, Brown and Cameron hadn't had one hand tied behind their back by the EU? Blair and Brown made our economy vulnerable by spending too much in the good times. Cameron's response to over-inflated house prices is to give people more money to push the price of houses up further!

The EU is not the source of our problems.

 

[Wattie]

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Cheers Wattie

 

[Jkulin]

We're emerging, slowly, from a brutal recession. Times are tough out there. A lot of people can't afford their rent. Decent blue collar jobs are hard to come buy. People want a scapegoat.

But why blame the EU? Why not look closer to home? Things would be so much better if Blair, Brown and Cameron hadn't had one hand tied behind their back by the EU? Blair and Brown made our economy vulnerable by spending too much in the good times. Cameron's response to over-inflated house prices is to give people more money to push the price of houses up further!

The EU is not the source of our problems.

Spot on

 

[CatmanV2]

Spot on

Not really. To pretend there is a single source of our problems is to grossly over simplify the situation. The EU is not the source of *all* of our problems. Blair and Brown are not the source of all of our problems. Cameron is not the source of all of our problems. I could go on...

C

 

[Wattie]

Not really. To pretend there is a single source of our problems is to grossly over simplify the situation. The EU is not the source of *all* of our problems. Blair and Brown are not the source of all of our problems. Cameron is not the source of all of our problems. I could go on...

C

There are numerous problems.
The question is, do you want to have control over them..........
Cheers Wattie

 

[Jkulin]

The problem is that the old dears loved Blair and the more he lied the more they loved them, I didn't like Brown as a person but he had a major task to fix after Blair and was on a hiding to nothing, Cameron has never had a proper job, so does what he studied without a feel for how things should be run apart from "it looks good on Paper", he never has had to make a payroll or pay his VAT to avoid a fine or work 18 hour days just to fulfil orders.

Some of the the Brexit Leader's are using the leave excuse because they never did what they should have done in the first place and now it is easier to vote out than stand and fight, they were spineless and think if we leave then their jobs are safe, what they don't realise is if we do come out then they will be exposed!

The in lot are a mixed bag as well, with some only wanting in to protect their jobs and crawl up some bosses a$$.

Me, well as I said my company relies on a lot of EU Law, because if it wasn't there then the government would run riot with ripping people off with vehicle imports, they have already tried it and lost see This Link

95% of my business relies on an EU resolution 9705, without it I think I would lose the company and possibly everything else.

If we leave then who will remain our allies, we pi$$ed on our trading agreements with other countries when we joined the Common Market and if we leave we will be pi$$ing on our closest allies for trading with non EU countries because of restrictions imposed by the EU because we left, because believe me if we leave many of our EU trading countries will give preference to manufacturing, sales and exports to fellow EU countries and not ourselves.

Just think where we now have trading agreements with Europe if we come out we will have to make new trading agreements with other countries and renegotiate agreements with those in the EU who still want to sell to us, and before anyone says it, BMW and the likes will still want to sell us cars, however it will be governed on their terms and not ours.

When I was out in Prague a few years ago I bumped into a Norwegian trying to buy some full strength Absinthe and he explained to me that because they wanted to remain on the edge of the EU that they were severely penalised by EU countries with prices and supply and not only that but the price of drink was taxed so heavily (can't remember the exact amount but it was something like 50%) and many people could not afford new cars from the EU because of the amount of tax they had to pay.

No, I would rather remain in and force the hand of what ever government was in power to fight for our cause than exit and have no say at all.

And as for the divisions in each party, do the individuals really think they can reconcile to their respective leaders when either party wins, forget that, their careers are finished.

For me the only benefit of our exit would be our border control, but I would much rather stay in with a leader that stuck two fingers up to the immigration rules of the EU and stood and fought and said NO more, but if you think the exit lot will do that, then forget it they won't!

No offence to anyone on here but that is the way I read it when filtering out all the sh!te that is spouted by both parties.

Rant over.

 

[CatmanV2]

Me, well as I said my company relies on a lot of EU Law, because if it wasn't there then the government would run riot with ripping people off with vehicle imports, they have already tried it and lost see This Link
.

This I just don't get. The 'If we leave / remain (delete as applicable) 'the government' will do / did do (delete as applicable) this / that (delete as applicable)

Thing is 'the government that were involved in that were not the government in power now. And the government that people wish to predict the actions of may not be the government for long after the referendum.

More than that, it appears that 'the government' in that case had nothing to do with it, and it was HMRC.

Certainly don't want to upset you, but really *really* don't understand it.

C

 

[Jkulin]

There's a lot more history to the BTI and resolution 9705, essentially no government likes the thought of many 1000's of V8 5 litre plus cars being imported, it goes against the grain a lot more than driving a Ferrari of 4+ litres

Any government doesn't like it but thankfully Resolution 9705 makes them accept it under the general encompassment of importing Classic Cars, if we come out then there is no overriding authority that says they must accept it, and the J&D classics Case left a very bitter taste with HMRC, I can guarantee that if we come out, within 5 years the Resolution will be out and higher import taxes apply.

Resolution 9705 doesn't just apply to cars but a whole host of others importations and there are a great deal more other tariff classifications that are governed by the EU.

 

[m1980k]

Not really. To pretend there is a single source of our problems is to grossly over simplify the situation. The EU is not the source of *all* of our problems. Blair and Brown are not the source of all of our problems. Cameron is not the source of all of our problems. I could go on...

C

I agree, but a lot of people talk as though the EU is 100% useless and we simply need to turn our backs on 'The Frogs' and 'Ze Germans', stem the flow of immigrants and everything will be much better. I know you take a more balanced view, but many don't. They think we simply need to 'set ourselves free', 'take back control' and wonderful things will happen.

 

[Wattie]

This I just don't get. The 'If we leave / remain (delete as applicable) 'the government' will do / did do (delete as applicable) this / that (delete as applicable)

Thing is 'the government that were involved in that were not the government in power now. And the government that people wish to predict the actions of may not be the government for long after the referendum.

More than that, it appears that 'the government' in that case had nothing to do with it, and it was HMRC.

Certainly don't want to upset you, but really *really* don't understand it.

C

Me neither, listen, let me point out the totally ludicrous that few are aware of.
under a European directive the government now include an allowance for sex trade and drug deals to be included in GDP calculations. (Basically the more whores and drug dealers your country has the more beneficial it is for GDP) to make it all look better.....it's all estimated as no one actually counts blow jobs or gram per hour....unless perhaps your an mp.
Perhaps you should reclassify your business as a brothel with some added "high" add ins and you'll be ok. They'll look after you as you'll be making a valuable contribution to a headline GDP figure.
http://archive.larouchepac.com/node/31010
Fortunately we have a realy big problem in the uk so our GDP is bolstered.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nomy-overtake-France-fifth-largest-world.html
http://webarchive.nationalarchives....-prostitution-in-the-uk-national-accounts.pdf
when someone says out GDp will suffer if we leave.....no it won't, they'll just manipulate other data so it looks good like it does just now.
Cheers Wattie

 

[Wattie]

This I just don't get. The 'If we leave / remain (delete as applicable) 'the government' will do / did do (delete as applicable) this / that (delete as applicable)

Thing is 'the government that were involved in that were not the government in power now. And the government that people wish to predict the actions of may not be the government for long after the referendum.

More than that, it appears that 'the government' in that case had nothing to do with it, and it was HMRC.

Certainly don't want to upset you, but really *really* don't understand it.

C

Me neither, listen, let me point out the totally ludicrous that few are aware of.
under a European directive the government now include an allowance for sex trade and drug deals to be included in GDP calculations. (Basically the more whores and drug dealers your country has the more beneficial it is for GDP) to make it all look better.....it's all estimated as no one actually counts blow jobs or gram per hour....unless perhaps your an mp.
Perhaps you should reclassify your business as a brothel with some added "high" add ins and you'll be ok. They'll look after you as you'll be making a valuable contribution to a headline GDP figure.
http://archive.larouchepac.com/node/31010
Fortunately we have a realy big problem in the uk so our GDP is bolstered.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nomy-overtake-France-fifth-largest-world.html
http://webarchive.nationalarchives....-prostitution-in-the-uk-national-accounts.pdf
when someone says out GDp will suffer if we leave.....no it won't, they'll just manipulate other data so it looks good like it does just now.
Cheers Wattie

 

[alfatwo]

Me neither, listen, let me point out the totally ludicrous that few are aware of.
under a European directive the government now include an allowance for sex trade and drug deals to be included in GDP calculations. (Basically the more whores and drug dealers your country has the more beneficial it is for GDP) to make it all look better.....it's all estimated as no one actually counts blow jobs or gram per hour....unless perhaps your an mp.
Perhaps you should reclassify your business as a brothel with some added "high" add ins and you'll be ok. They'll look after you as you'll be making a valuable contribution to a headline GDP figure.
http://archive.larouchepac.com/node/31010
Fortunately we have a realy big problem in the uk so our GDP is bolstered.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nomy-overtake-France-fifth-largest-world.html
http://webarchive.nationalarchives....-prostitution-in-the-uk-national-accounts.pdf
when someone says out GDp will suffer if we leave.....no it won't, they'll just manipulate other data so it looks good like it does just now.
Cheers Wattie

It's all getting a little too complicated... for most its all about immigrant's and there imposition they put on our Engish way of life..

I say lets leave and get our country back..f.ck'em all!

Dave

 

[D Walker]

I am of the opinion, let's put I our selves in the position where we only have our selves to blame.. Regarding all the rhetoric, what I will say, in my profession, if we said, could, might, maybe, what if, we would be sacked! But then I am of the opinion that politicians don't serve the people, they "pre" serve themselves, hence I have never voted!!

 

[Andyk]

It's all getting a little too complicated... for most its all about immigrant's and there imposition they put on our Engish way of life..

I say lets leave and get our country back..f.ck'em all!

Dave

And that is the problem...It is about far more than immigration yet I fear that most of the country will only vote with this in mind....