CLOSED Brexit Poll

[zagatoes30]

Immigration is so not the big issue here but there are those that want to make it so. Britain is and always has been one of the most tolerant multi race countries which is why people want to come here. Most people who come here, come to live and work, they add to our society and contribute like everyone else. Those that come to exploit the system will come anyway they will just slip in illegally. I can never support some one like Farage who continues to insist this is the big issue.

The big issues are our economy and our rights as civilians. I can see nothing in the Leave argument that will benefit us in these areas, in fact even most of the Leave campaign expect an economic downturn in the short to medium turn. So I will nail my flag to the Remain pole, even though I can't stand DC, as the best option for my family, the country and the people who live here.

 

[CatmanV2]

There's a lot more history to the BTI and resolution 9705, essentially no government likes the thought of many 1000's of V8 5 litre plus cars being imported, it goes against the grain a lot more than driving a Ferrari of 4+ litres

Any government doesn't like it but thankfully Resolution 9705 makes them accept it under the general encompassment of importing Classic Cars, if we come out then there is no overriding authority that says they must accept it, and the J&D classics Case left a very bitter taste with HMRC, I can guarantee that if we come out, within 5 years the Resolution will be out and higher import taxes apply.

Resolution 9705 doesn't just apply to cars but a whole host of others importations and there are a great deal more other tariff classifications that are governed by the EU.

Sorry? No government likes it , but somehow representatives of 28 (maybe slightly less) governments managed to come to an agreement to make them individually accept it?

I can understand this impacts you and businesses like yours on a direct level, and I am sure there are many similar situations, but I still don't think it adds up.

C

 

[Andyk]

Immigration is so not the big issue here but there are those that want to make it so. Britain is and always has been one of the most tolerant multi race countries which is why people want to come here. Most people who come here, come to live and work, they add to our society and contribute like everyone else. Those that come to exploit the system will come anyway they will just slip in illegally. I can never support some one like Farage who continues to insist this is the big issue.

The big issues are our economy and our rights as civilians. I can see nothing in the Leave argument that will benefit us in these areas, in fact even most of the Leave campaign expect an economic downturn in the short to medium turn. So I will nail my flag to the Remain pole, even though I can't stand DC, as the best option for my family, the country and the people who live here.

100% agree Andy........From my experience and the people I work with and there are a lot from Poland they contribute to our economy....It is a real shame that from what I see and hear is that most will vote out because of immigration. I have no doubt the vote will go to leave ..... but I for one will not be in that camp as I like you have not heard anything to sway me that way....

 

[2b1ask1]

Frankly I wish the leave campaign would stop playing the immigration card, and in the last couple of weeks of the campaign, re-visit the arsenal and look at the many valid arguments they can and should be majoring on. The EU does not work and will fall apart sooner or later, staying at this time will just draw it out and have the UK crippled and trampled for the remainder of its (the EU) inevitable slide... Monetary union especially the Euro was the cause of this inevitable slide and the maastricht treaty sealed it in my opinion. I do not want to see a 'United States of Europe' for me or my children and their families to come.

I do not see any significant dip in trading anywhere in the world if we exit, I can see a period of confusion and adjustment. Trade with Europe is a small proportion of the global business as a whole and whilst they are our closest neighbours, they will remain trading with us as we will continue to buy their products.

Two views that I have seen:

Sally my daughter works for Zurich insurance, their Italian C.E.O. wrote to all staff (email) saying you must vote to stay in as if the UK leaves Zurich 'may' move all of its business onto the continent and (if we did) your 4,000 + jobs will go.

This is a letter the boss of JCB sent to all his staff:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10209857038843072&set=a.2081015825429.2128358.1246073340&type=3&theater

 

[dem maser]

i saw your post on facebook.....read it again and again....i must say my mind has been made up over the last few days...

 

[daverichardson]

I am afraid in my area immigration IS the big topic.

 

[m1980k]

I am afraid in my area immigration IS the big topic.

If we cut immigration, we'll have fewer working age people to support all the old folk. Polish builders or Bulgarian cleaners are less of a drain on public resources than old people requiring treatment on the NHS.

Look at Japan - soon their population will shrink and their economy is utterly ******.

Immigration is not the problem - poor management of public services and the need to pay off debt run up by incompetent BRITISH governments is the problem.

 

[daverichardson]

Immigration is not the problem - poor management of public services and the need to pay off debt run up by incompetent BRITISH governments is the problem.


That's 2 problems then,
I stand by my above post

 

[Wack61]

Two views that I have seen:

Sally my daughter works for Zurich insurance, their Italian C.E.O. wrote to all staff (email) saying you must vote to stay in as if the UK leaves Zurich 'may' move all of its business onto the continent and (if we did) your 4,000 + jobs will go.

This is a letter the boss of JCB sent to all his staff:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10209857038843072&set=a.2081015825429.2128358.1246073340&type=3&theater

All I've heard in the last 3 months is maybe if and could.

I don't think any of them will leave, as Lord Bamfod says we're still a big player on the world stage, this is more about the first brick being knocked out of the EU wall than what happens to Britain

When the EU falls apart I don't want to be in the rubble

Just had a look on AV forums to see how their poll is going

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union 63 vote(s) 29.4%
Leave the European Union 138 vote(s) 64.5%
I am unsure at this point 13 vote(s) 6.1%

 

[midlifecrisis]

Whether you are in our out, the standard of the debates, the campaigns and the politicians has been woefully poor. It's been a case of Armageddon if we are out, or Sodom and Gomorrah I'd we stay in? (That's Dem swung back).
Statistics quoted are incorrect, conjecture is extreme, (WW3!) and name calling of the other side is petty and childish.

I suggest we vote THEM all out.

 

[CatmanV2]

Whether you are in our out, the standard of the debates, the campaigns and the politicians has been woefully poor. It's been a case of Armageddon if we are out, or Sodom and Gomorrah I'd we stay in? (That's Dem swung back).
Statistics quoted are incorrect, conjecture is extreme, (WW3!) and name calling of the other side is petty and childish.

I suggest we vote THEM all out.

Martin for president! Sensible policies for a better Britain!

No seriously, spot on mate. The other scary thing is watching intelligent people following suit!

C

 

[Andyk]

Martin is spot on.....Its a joke......I have stopped listening to the idiots and will just have to make my mind up with what i know.......

 

[TridentTested]

It's all getting a little too complicated... for most its all about immigrant's and there imposition they put on our Engish way of life..

I say lets leave and get our country back..f.ck'em all!

Dave

Leaving will not change immigration one iota. The Leave side keep saying they will quickly negotiate a free trade deal with the EU but all similar deals (Norway, Switzerland) have freedom of movement enshrined in the deal. Immigration would not change.

 

[conaero]

Its an issue of control.

Do we continue down a route of our country being taken away from us or so we go it alone.

Every person has a right to decide this and should not be told otherwise.

All the information is out there, digest it, don't pay too much notice of politicians and go with what you feel is the right choice for our country.

Somebody summed it up well.

If we were not in the EU and today, were voting to go in or stay out, what would you do?

 

[m1980k]

Somebody summed it up well.

If we were not in the EU and today, were voting to go in or stay out, what would you do?

We would still have had the financial crisis, EU or no EU. The US housing market would still have imploded, banks would have taken too many risks and governments would have borrowed too much. Obviously Eurozone crisis would have been different but I suspect there would have been other government debt problems. And then I expect cooperation with other countries would have looked very attractive.

The grass is always greener!

But I agree with what others here have said: the standard of public debate has been awful.

 

[conaero]

But I agree with what others here have said: the standard of public debate has been awful.

It has been indeed truly awful.

That Nicola Sturgeon attack on Boris the other night being the low point, that women is poison.

 

[daverichardson]

Don't forget the hopeless hapless Amber Rudd who relies on luck for the energy debate
The pair of 'em are a lethal combination

 

[m1980k]

It has been indeed truly awful.

That Nicola Sturgeon attack on Boris the other night being the low point, that women is poison.

Oh, I actually enjoyed the tongue lashing that Boris took... I suspect we'll have to stick to cars if we want to agree on anything.

 

[Contigo]

Probably a god reason why threads like this shouldn't become too frequent on car forums.

 

[conaero]

Oh, I actually enjoyed the tongue lashing that Boris took... I suspect we'll have to stick to cars if we want to agree on anything.

As in my previous post personal attack has no bearing on the EU decision you may have enjoyed it but it did the remain vote no favours.