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BennyD

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F*ck it, just leave without a deal. If TM said ’plan B is a no-deal exit let’s start talking’, the EU w4nkers may have started listening. Unfortunately, as soon as all the lily-livered tosspot MPs blocked us leaving without a deal, it effectively tied her hands and the negotiations have descended into farce. With us having to have a deal plays right into the EUs hands and bends us over, braced for penetration. Without lube.
 

MaserCoupe

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F*ck it, just leave without a deal. If TM said ’plan B is a no-deal exit let’s start talking’, the EU w4nkers may have started listening. Unfortunately, as soon as all the lily-livered tosspot MPs blocked us leaving without a deal, it effectively tied her hands and the negotiations have descended into farce. With us having to have a deal plays right into the EUs hands and bends us over, braced for penetration. Without lube.

That would all be ok if it wasn't for the fact that as soon as Teresa May announced the political declaration i.e triggering Article 50, the Red lines etc, then she tied her own hands...The EU from that moment began preparing for our Exit and have published over 80 No Deal Technical notices in preparation to that effect (we have published around 10 at the last count) as there was nothing more they could give us. If a deal is to be done then it will be one or more of her redlines that will have to be given up.................I'm not sure her ERG members will like that though.
 

BennyD

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She did say ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’ so ‘no deal’ should be still on the table. Unfortunately, the Remainer MPs look likely to hijack the proceedings to prevent it. They should be representing the people rather than themselves and working towards a mutually beneficial settlement.
 

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She did say ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’ so ‘no deal’ should be still on the table. Unfortunately, the Remainer MPs look likely to hijack the proceedings to prevent it. They should be representing the people rather than themselves and working towards a mutually beneficial settlement.
Yeah true she did say that, but what is being found out now (well it's been known for a while) is that a "bad deal" is exactly that....A bad deal is having a no deal. This is why our MP's, politicians, economists etc and people are at odds on a daily basis. This is why we are in a polarised mess bud. Some People say WTO won't affect them, while for others it will and the economics of WTO just won't cut the mustard for them on a personal level....Here the MP's, the cabinet and the opposition are asking that very question about WTO trade and who in our society will be vulnerable or most affected by leaving on those terms....

It is exactly what she/MP's are trying to do and by working to a mutually beneficial solution (i.e. the least damaging to people's pockets and our country). A damage limitation exercise for people/country. Whatever deal we leave with is less than what we already have, hence tabling a motion to get "No Deal" off the table, but people are calling that remaining and not apparently respecting the will of the people. Then you've got people from all spheres on both sides of the vote saying: hang on this isn't what I voted for.... All the while the E.U is waiting for us to make a decision on what flavour of leaving we want.................. Behind Leave Door 1=?, Behind Leave door 2=?, Behind Leave Door 3=? and Bully's special prize (mooooooo) is.....................................Who Knows?

Then you've got British/European Citizens and families who have been here for decades and living here legally and of course Brit families living/ working abroad legally in limbo for the last 2.5 years not knowing where they stand. This is just the beginning of it as we have yet to negotiate the trade deals........ Hope that is helpful.
 
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James Dyson who campaigned for Brexit is moving his head office to Singapore. Apparently it’s ok for us to leave the EU as long as his business interests aren’t here.
Let's not forget the owners of the Ritz and who also own The Telegraph Paper who helped bank roll and campaigned for Brexit (Barcley Brothers)........Pretending to care for the everyday man...............Now Jacob Brexiteer Mogg, let's not forget about that lovely bloke with his Banking interests based in Dublin...What's good for the Goose eh....P.S List is not exhaustive!!!:D:p;)

It does beg the question of those who bank rolled Brexit.....What's in it for them? De-regulation and less workers rights....

While if you ask the same question of MP's who are voting against Brexit... Ask yourself the same question. What's in it for them....Surely not that meaningless phrase "thwarting the will of the people".....Thwarting what and to what end? Makes no sense....
 
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It does beg the question of those who bank rolled Brexit.....What's in it for them? De-regulation and less workers rights....
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What’s in for them, if there’s no deal, is the EU anti-tax avoidance rules due to come in in Apr won’t apply. Allowing them to continue to funnel money offshore so they can play Top Trumps with their wealth whilst the rest of us go to ****.

This was always about the monied establishment getting no-deal. Everything else is a smoke screen for the gullible to grab on to.

This deal was never going to be accepted. It’s designed to make no deal palatable and allow the UK government to continue to blame the EU for the mess we are in.
 

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Yep you couldn’t have put it any clearer and when people say yeah but I’ve got my sovereignty (because that is all that is left) back (which isn’t true as it was never lost) I would love to know how sovereignty is going to pay the bills..
 

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Yeah true she did say that, but what is being found out now (well it's been known for a while) is that a "bad deal" is exactly that....A bad deal is having a no deal. This is why our MP's, politicians, economists etc and people are at odds on a daily basis. This is why we are in a polarised mess bud. Some People say WTO won't affect them, while for others it will and the economics of WTO just won't cut the mustard for them on a personal level....Here the MP's, the cabinet and the opposition are asking that very question about WTO trade and who in our society will be vulnerable or most affected by leaving on those terms....

It is exactly what she/MP's are trying to do and by working to a mutually beneficial solution (i.e. the least damaging to people's pockets and our country). A damage limitation exercise for people/country. Whatever deal we leave with is less than what we already have, hence tabling a motion to get "No Deal" off the table, but people are calling that remaining and not apparently respecting the will of the people. Then you've got people from all spheres on both sides of the vote saying: hang on this isn't what I voted for.... All the while the E.U is waiting for us to make a decision on what flavour of leaving we want.................. Behind Leave Door 1=?, Behind Leave door 2=?, Behind Leave Door 3=? and Bully's special prize (mooooooo) is.....................................Who Knows?

Then you've got British/European Citizens and families who have been here for decades and living here legally and of course Brit families living/ working abroad legally in limbo for the last 2.5 years not knowing where they stand. This is just the beginning of it as we have yet to negotiate the trade deals........ Hope that is helpful.

Whilst comprehensive, your view is, I suspect, that of a Remainer. As a leaver, all I can see is the remain MPs stealing Brexit from the British people. If it was purely a trading bloc, or a ‘Common Market’, I would have voted remain but it isn’t. It’s about a political clique embedded in Brussels that is guiding the organisation inexorably towards a United States of Europe and I don’t want to be a part of that. An organisation that can do what it wants, virtually when it wants to the member states and I fervently hope that after we leave, the EU implodes and Europe once again becomes a trading bloc, not some political wet dream.
 
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As a remainer, I also don’t / didn’t want a United States of Europe. For important decisions including foreign affairs, justice and taxation, and a few other, unanimity is required for the decision to pass. As such ever closer union against the wishes of the U.K. was / is quite unlikely. If it is about the power consumption of toasters, then majority rules.

This made quite interesting reading. https://fullfact.org/europe/british-influence-eu-council-ministers/
 

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As a remainer, I also don’t / didn’t want a United States of Europe. For important decisions including foreign affairs, justice and taxation, and a few other, unanimity is required for the decision to pass. As such ever closer union against the wishes of the U.K. was / is quite unlikely. If it is about the power consumption of toasters, then majority rules.

This made quite interesting reading. https://fullfact.org/europe/british-influence-eu-council-ministers/
You've had me in stitches!!! :D:D:D:D..That is brilliant....
 
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Seeing as we are on the subject, we should also canvas opinion on whether it is milk or teabag first too. But he should exclude people that use a teapot from the survey.
 

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Ha ha love it you lot will all be fine when England is snuggly tucked up in bed with all its Commonwealth partners giving two fingers to Europe.
Rule Britannia.
Guessing nobody will be told to take flags down anymore after its happened.