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Rwc13

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What is it these days with so many people’s inability to accept and respect the decision of the majority? This is at the very heart of any genuine democracy, and frankly, if people aren’t prepared to do so, in my view, they should be encouraged to leave.

But so many seem to think it’s ok to continue to complain in an ever increasingly toxic and aggressive fashion just because they didn’t get what they wanted. Unfortunately, you see it in all walks of life, eg on the football field when the players surround and abuse the referee when a decision doesn’t go their way. Why is this completely anti-social behaviour now indulged in our society? Send them off, they will soon learn!

In the case of Corbyn and his acolytes, is it their arrogance and belief that they are somehow intellectually and socially superior to everybody else in their view of the world. Everybody is entitled to an opinion, but when the majority don’t accept yours, it is likely because it is flawed, and you should accept this with dignity and move on. Acceptance and dignity seemed to be severely lacking from these people yesterday.

And take a look at the many twitter accounts set up to share views amongst some of the “younger” Corbyn/labour supporting groups. The naivety and unquestioning nature of so many of the comments before the election was a little disturbing. But the reaction after the result is, frankly, scary. The toxicity and extremism of so many of the comments is frightening. What does it say about this generation if, despite professing to be the most “inclusive”, they are so incapable of accepting a view that the majority hold that is different to theirs?

And what about the SNP? Scotland is part of the UK and it’s parliamentary democracy. The question of independence was answered in 2014 by a democratic decision to stay. At the time, the likelihood of a UK wide EU referendum was known. Just because the democratic referendum decision to leave doesn’t align with the majority view in Scotland surely shouldn’t be allowed to be used by the SNP to have another go so relatively soon. You can’t just have democracy when it suits you and then reject it when it doesn’t.

Doesn’t this kind of intolerant, undemocratic, suppressive behaviour actually have more in common with fascism than socialism?
 

Wattie

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I'm surprised this thread is so dead after the election , the conservatives now have one chance to get Brexit right or come the next election they'll be as dead as labour were in this one .

No coalition to throw a spanner in the works now so it's all down to Boris who was supposed to have been a Brexiteer from day one so we'll see if it was all bluster.
I think everyone on all sides is stunned at the margin of Tory victory. Very very few expected such. The Tories now are under pressure to deliver as you say.
I don’t think the thread is muted though, lots of wind up input and hopefully no-one taking it to heart.
 

Wattie

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What is it these days with so many people’s inability to accept and respect the decision of the majority? This is at the very heart of any genuine democracy, and frankly, if people aren’t prepared to do so, in my view, they should be encouraged to leave.

But so many seem to think it’s ok to continue to complain in an ever increasingly toxic and aggressive fashion just because they didn’t get what they wanted. Unfortunately, you see it in all walks of life, eg on the football field when the players surround and abuse the referee when a decision doesn’t go their way. Why is this completely anti-social behaviour now indulged in our society? Send them off, they will soon learn!

In the case of Corbyn and his acolytes, is it their arrogance and belief that they are somehow intellectually and socially superior to everybody else in their view of the world. Everybody is entitled to an opinion, but when the majority don’t accept yours, it is likely because it is flawed, and you should accept this with dignity and move on. Acceptance and dignity seemed to be severely lacking from these people yesterday.

And take a look at the many twitter accounts set up to share views amongst some of the “younger” Corbyn/labour supporting groups. The naivety and unquestioning nature of so many of the comments before the election was a little disturbing. But the reaction after the result is, frankly, scary. The toxicity and extremism of so many of the comments is frightening. What does it say about this generation if, despite professing to be the most “inclusive”, they are so incapable of accepting a view that the majority hold that is different to theirs?

And what about the SNP? Scotland is part of the UK and it’s parliamentary democracy. The question of independence was answered in 2014 by a democratic decision to stay. At the time, the likelihood of a UK wide EU referendum was known. Just because the democratic referendum decision to leave doesn’t align with the majority view in Scotland surely shouldn’t be allowed to be used by the SNP to have another go so relatively soon. You can’t just have democracy when it suits you and then reject it when it doesn’t.

Doesn’t this kind of intolerant, undemocratic, suppressive behaviour actually have more in common with fascism than socialism?
That’s where the trouble started, hopefully we’re all rowing in the same direction now.
 

Wattie

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Always love to hear all of us English telling Scotland what will happen.

We don’t learn Scottish/English history down here so we?

MrMickS, full marks for sensitivity- Kudos for using the word “Scotland”.
Some of us were becoming accustomed to the title of “they or them”.
Mmmmmnnn.
 

Wattie

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Oh I dunno. Some geezer called Hadrian had the measure of them when he built a wall to keep them in/out
So an Italian geezer on holiday in England, conquered it and built a wall to keep the Scots away from his limoncello!
What a proud moment in history to boast about for those “dan Saff” ;):lol2:
 
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dunnah01

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Anyway now the votes are in and it's an overwhelming statement that we want to stay in the EU (53.3% Remain vs 46.7% Leave) when does that Brexit thing get ripped up and we all put it down to a bad day the other year.
Boris can still play at PM if he wants to carry on being lampooned and he can even get his daddy an officially paid job now.
 

Wattie

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Anyway now the votes are in and it's an overwhelming statement that we want to stay in the EU (53.3% Remain vs 46.7% Leave) when does that Brexit thing get ripped up and we all put it down to a bad day the other year.
Boris can still play at PM if he wants to carry on being lampooned and he can even get his daddy an officially paid job now.
Dunnah what you’re on but excellent effort to stir things up.
 

CatmanV2

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What is it these days with so many people’s inability to accept and respect the decision of the majority? This is at the very heart of any genuine democracy, and frankly, if people aren’t prepared to do so, in my view, they should be encouraged to leave.
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But so many seem to think it’s ok to continue to complain in an ever increasingly toxic and aggressive fashion just because they didn’t get what they wanted.

Sort of my observation back there somewhere. Totally odd.
C
 

Phil H

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So an Italian geezer on holiday in England, conquered it and built a wall to keep the Scots away from his limoncello!
What a proud moment in history to boast about for those “dan Saff” ;):lol2:
Something wrong with that?

He was clearly a visionary who could see potential problems before Ms Sturgeon was even born so he did his best for us. It wasn't his fault that their crummy stone didn't stand the test of time, but the foundations are still there for Boris to finish the job, and I hear that Mr Trump has fencing crews on standby.

:):)

PH
 

Wattie

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;)
Something wrong with that?

He was clearly a visionary who could see potential problems before Ms Sturgeon was even born so he did his best for us. It wasn't his fault that their crummy stone didn't stand the test of time, but the foundations are still there for Boris to finish the job, and I hear that Mr Trump has fencing crews on standby.

:):)

PH
Seems he got rid of the problems and kept the rest out with a wall.
 

Oneball

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Always love to hear all of us English telling Scotland what will happen.

We don’t learn Scottish/English history down here so we?

I’m not sure the Scots learn it either. They’re always banging on about Longshanks or Bonnie Prince Charlie (there were more Scots on the “English” side at Culloden) yet rarely mention they chose the Act of Union after bankrupting the whole country in a dodgy share scheme for a swamp infested bit of the New World (that act paved the way in trade for the economies of Glasgow and Edinburgh) or that our monarch is directly descended from a Scottish one.
 

Wattie

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I’m not sure the Scots learn it either. They’re always banging on about Longshanks or Bonnie Prince Charlie (there were more Scots on the “English” side at Culloden) yet rarely mention they chose the Act of Union after bankrupting the whole country in a dodgy share scheme for a swamp infested bit of the New World (that act paved the way in trade for the economies of Glasgow and Edinburgh) or that our monarch is directly descended from a Scottish one.
Hang on we’re still talking about a wall an Italian built for you...,, no thread drift please. If you wanna talk about allegeed crooked share schemes it’s only because my great great great great great great uncle wattie walked past the wall and bumped in to an Englishman of Italian descent called Mr Ponzi.
The rest as they say....
 
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Wattie

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Something wrong with that?

He was clearly a visionary who could see potential problems before Ms Sturgeon was even born so he did his best for us. It wasn't his fault that their crummy stone didn't stand the test of time, but the foundations are still there for Boris to finish the job, and I hear that Mr Trump has fencing crews on standby.

:):)

PH
Here’s another fun fact. Italy have won 4 world cups.
With your genetic history 1 ain’t impressive. We’re only 1 behind you.....despite the wall.
 

Phil the Brit

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This is the way I see a conversation between Twanky Sturgeon and Boris going..........
Sturgeon ..........we want another referendum about our Scottish independance.
Boris........ you can't have one, go away.
THE END
 

lifes2short

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This is the way I see a conversation between Twanky Sturgeon and Boris going..........
Sturgeon ..........we want another referendum about our Scottish independance.
Boris........ you can't have one, go away.
THE END

actually I would like to think BJ's reply would end with "off" ;), think sturgeon has delusions of grandeur, it's seems all about her and not really about the angry scots