Brexit Deal

Wattie

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rivarama said:
And just to reiterate some historical context - to remind ourselves how well the UK was doing on its own prior to joining the EU in 1973, despite its illustrious colonial past and aspirations of grandeur... (despite what some on this forum remember).

The economy was in tatters, and in 1976 the PM had for the first and only time in history to ask for an IMF bailout - the largest bailout in IMF history at the time.
The economy and state finances were so bad that in 1975 when the UK held a referendum to ask the people whether they wanted to stay in the newly joined membership (2years earlier), almost 65% of the population said yes.

A common Human trait is how one tends to forget its past as bad memories (horrible state of the economy and fear for isolation in a conflicted world at the time) fade, which is why history tends to repeat itself.

But fear not, Boris will manage to convince Trump and fend off his “America First” machine and get a “win win” deal for Britain, when China and the rest of the world couldn’t !!
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Were state finances so bad because we’d had to fight 2 wars in Europe previously to save em all?
Honestly I’ve no idea, that was 46 years ago and the world was a very different place.
 
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And here we go- this is what remainers want in the new legislation.

So if Europe say 25 years, we’re obliged to agree. Mays no leave deal was a betrayal, this never leave deal confirms that.

If this gets approved it is an outrage.59912
 
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CatmanV2 said:
I make no judgement on that matter. I simply observed that you missed that bit out.

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It is extraordinary that the paragraph even exists.
Our MPs (like Mays deal) are now potentially allowing the Eu to determine if and when we leave.

No-one voted “leave” to allow the Eu to decide if or when we leave.
 
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With the number of Tories likely to vote against BJ there was no real majority anyway so a pointless gesture really
 
rivarama

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Wattie said:
Were state finances so bad because we’d had to fight 2 wars in Europe previously to save em all?
Honestly I’ve no idea, that was 46 years ago and the world was a very different place.
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As I said, human kind has a funny way of never learning their lessons...

I hope you love the “America first” version of the highly criticised technocratic Europe ruling post Brexit (although you’ll still be preaching 15k miles away w a barge pole)
 
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midlifecrisis said:
The Conservative Party 1834-2019.
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More the case The Labour Party 1900-2019 with Corbyn bottling out of a vonc then a general election. After all this time of telling everyone he wants to get rid of the Tory government, had his chance and bottled it because he knows himself he is a loser. If the Labour party had picked a more palatable leader there's every chance they could've won a general election and been a lot more helpful to the Remain camp.
For those old enough to remember Michael Foot, a much more likeable chap than agitator Corbyn but also destined never to be PM due to his far-left views.
 
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Lets see how many times one of my favourite words 'Filibuster' is used before now and next Thursday. It's the only option BJ seems to have left if he is as arrogant as he says he is.
 
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Yet another parliamentary shambles. All in the name of democracy....Yeah right.....Think I need to move onto desert island to stop hearing this **** from all sides....
 
midlifecrisis

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Nibby said:
More the case The Labour Party 1900-2019 with Corbyn bottling out of a vonc then a general election. After all this time of telling everyone he wants to get rid of the Tory government, had his chance and bottled it because he knows himself he is a loser. If the Labour party had picked a more palatable leader there's every chance they could've won a general election and been a lot more helpful to the Remain camp.
For those old enough to remember Michael Foot, a much more likeable chap than agitator Corbyn but also destined never to be PM due to his far-left views.
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Let's agree on UK politics 1660-2019
 
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