Brexit Deal

[GeoffCapes]

Just to be clear then, and I have mentioned this once before....remainers want to stay with the Eu but with the £ .......not the €?
Clearly remainers feel very strongly about staying so that must mean we fully embrace the € and all the benefits it brings us...yes.
I suspect not,
You all know that there is no way you will join-that.
Let’s put that on the referendum.
Mays deal , no deal ,join the Euro.

We told the EU we wasn't joining it years ago. Why would that change?
I've not heard a single remainer even mention joining the Euro.
You're grasping at straws if that's what you think.

 

[GeoffCapes]

May didn’t negotiate, she surrendered theUK’s position and I don’t give a dam about other countries and what they decide to do.
Steady exit? As far as I am concerned you get out of the Eu and watch it crumble.....we are trying to do that first........

If the EU crumbles so does the UK economy. 60% of our exports go to the Euro. 60% reduction in exports, economy collapses.
It ain't rocket science!

 

[rockits]

grey already and old is not far behind, of course I care and my wife regularly gives to various charities, but at the end of the day my family comes first, I can see no real benefit from leaving and quite the contrary, I would love to live in a society that cares and has respect for one another and that includes all immigrants who come here to work hard and build a better future for themselves.

I understand and appreciate your position. I can also see why you have that stance. When society doesn't look after you or cater for your needs or care about you of course you start to fend for yourself, look after yourself and do what you need to do to achieve this.

We are starting to pay the price for the lack of care, attention, foresight and sense that has been lacking for a long long time. It isn't going to be a quick fix and won't be easy but it does need to change.

It is like having a list of jobs to do and you always put off the long/difficult ones choosing to complete the easier, shorter less time consuming ones. Those long jobs just get longer and more difficult though. They never go away.

 

[lifes2short]

I understand and appreciate your position. I can also see why you have that stance. When society doesn't look after you or cater for your needs or care about you of course you start to fend for yourself, look after yourself and do what you need to do to achieve this.

We are starting to pay the price for the lack of care, attention, foresight and sense that has been lacking for a long long time. It isn't going to be a quick fix and won't be easy but it does need to change.

It is like having a list of jobs to do and you always put off the long/difficult ones choosing to complete the easier, shorter less time consuming ones. Those long jobs just get longer and more difficult though. They never go away.

not sure whether to agree or disagree, if you mean leave then I'm afraid I cannot agree, but can agree that certain things in society need to change, my motto is "if it aint broke, don't fix it". Should never have had the bloomin referendum in the first place, wtf was Cameron thinking and then fooking jumps ship

 

[rockits]

Agreed....not sure Cameron and his cronies ever for one second thought it would ever go this way. Slightly misguided miscalcuated risk that went horribly wrong. I bet one of the common and first words out of their mouths were......FCUK!

I think there has been much wrong for a long time but nobody thought or wanted to upset the apple cart.....gravy train....call it what you will. I think there were lots that is broken but not broken enough or visibly enough for the will to be there to do anything about it. I've never been afraid to tackle a difficult job or situation. Sometimes at my heavily time consumered cost when younger. However we got through it, out the other side and learnt a lot. We seem to be afraid to make that step or jump. We also seem to be breeding the younger generation with less desire to take those jumps. Also giving them less of the abilites needed to actually successfully make it to the other side of those jumps. I am genuinely quite concerned for the future and what it holds.

 

[philw696]

We also seem to be breeding the younger generation with less desire to take those jumps. Also giving them less of the abilites needed to actually successfully make it to the other side of those jumps. I am genuinely quite concerned for the future and what it holds.
Totally agree with you there Dean.
Being nearly 57 and having been involved with many younger people in my profession I pull my hair out and I have a fair bit of that.
Sad to say I wouldn't let them touch my lawn mower let alone my cars.

 

[rockits]

Agreed....sad state of affairs. As a small business I have given up trying to find cost effective young people to be honest. The downs outweigh the ups as an employer and the incentives to teach the younger generation all my 25yrs+ of knowledge are poor.

What a waste of knowledge. Another case of waste and innefficiency. There must be such a fantastic wealth of knowledge and experience in our middle aged population just going to waste or under utilised.

 

[GeoffCapes]

Agreed....sad state of affairs. As a small business I have given up trying to find cost effective young people to be honest. The downs outweigh the ups as an employer and the incentives to teach the younger generation all my 25yrs+ of knowledge are poor.

What a waste of knowledge. Another case of waste and innefficiency. There must be such a fantastic wealth of knowledge and experience in our middle aged population just going to waste or under utilised.

I've found the youth of today, (God I sound old), just don't want to put the effort in and expect to have everything that comes with working hard, without doing it.

Obviously there is always exceptions, but I have only seen a few.

How does a generation become so self entitled, and basically lazy?

 

[rockits]

I guess it is amplified when you have footballers on 600k a week and reality TV 'stars' earning tons. That get rich quick and easy attitude is all around.

They reckon the first 1m a week footballer is likely in the next 5 years!

Maybe we are the idiots that have it wrong!

 

[jonny]

and multi-millionaire "YouTubers", FFS

 

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[Wattie]

If the EU crumbles so does the UK economy. 60% of our exports go to the Euro. 60% reduction in exports, economy collapses.
It ain't rocket science!

Hence we should be less reliant on it and develop other far reaching global trade deals elsewhere beyond Europe!!!!!
Risk diversification.
It ain’t rocket science.

 

[Felonious Crud]

That’s clear then.....I’ve read it at least six times and still don’t have a clue

You really need to get out more, Wattie!

 

[philw696]

A Good Article.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10216567265947461&id=1033229527&sfnsn=mo

 

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[GeoffCapes]

Hence we should be less reliant on it and develop other far reaching global trade deals elsewhere beyond Europe!!!!!
Risk diversification.
It ain’t rocket science.

That's easier said than done. We will obviously do more trade with whatever is on our doorstep. It just makes logical sense.
You can't erase that 60% instantaneously and expect to get it elsewhere, it just won't happen.

The fact is, if the EU economy crumbles so does the UK's. We're reliant on each other. This is why (in my mind) leaving the EU is bonkers.

 

[rockits]

More reason to break it up a little. Eggs in one basket and all. No one organisation or network should be too big. It is often deemed as anti competitive and difficult to manage.

I think we have too many too large organisations and networks these days. There is benefits and efficiencies from economies of scale do sure. However once you go beyond that you have gone too far and it becomes difficult to manage and more inneficient.

Finding the sweet spot a balance is hard but certainly worthwhile and rewarding.

 

[D Walker]

How does a generation become so self entitled, and basically lazy?

Parents

 

[conaero]

I’m enjoying this thread as it highlights the pros and cons for both arguments that a lot of us didn’t know which gives us a better insight to the entire situation and god forbid a second vote.

Just continue to keep it friendly and respect each others right to their opinion.