Brexit Deal

[lifes2short]

If the UK stays I’ll be far better off (exchange rates) but if it’s under Mays deal you”ll in time realise, eu’re screued which is why we all voted leave.

sorry, but that makes me chuckle, so your not concerned about being far better off, you must be fairly wealthy already then

 

[Wattie]

sorry, but that makes me chuckle, so your not concerned about being far better off, you must be fairly wealthy already then

Ill be wealthier if we stay in

 

[lifes2short]

Ill be wealthier if we stay in

so at the risk of sounding dim, why would you want to leave??

 

[GeoffCapes]

It is not well put, we had options to vote on and
The result was clear. Leave.
That’s what the Uk voted for.......not remain.
A or b
So it was remainers trying to dilute “leave” by Norway, Norway plus, Canada etc May surrender plus Mk1, Mk II and possibly Mk III and their interpretation that has led to this mess.

Said it before,. If the UK stays I’ll be far better off (exchange rates) but if it’s under Mays deal you”ll in time realise, eu’re screued which is why we all voted leave.

The majority of Brexiter MPs do not want a No Deal Brexit. That's why it was voted that there will not be a no deal Brexit.

As I said before. The Brexiters cannot agree with regards to what Brexit they want.

If you asked the 17.4 million who voted out what kind of Brexit they want, they wouldn't agree either!

This is why you have to stop the clock (so to speak now) get everyone on side with what kind of Brexit you want, then re-invoke Article 50. As it can be done at any time.
If we do that the EU will have to negotiate this time as the other countries who want to leave will also do the same.

 

[Wattie]

so at the risk of sounding dim, why would you want to leave??

Here you go post 1967,
Geoff has forgotten my answer.
Same excuse remainer Mps will No doubt give when asked why they didn’t follow through.

“Thanks for answering Geoff re the Euro. I’d be very surprised if any/many remainers wanted to adopt the Euro.

One of the reasons I voted leave is because I believe that the Europe and the Euro will implode at some point. I think fiscal strains and the total disillusionment of individuals in countries suffering from such will at some point prove too much.

The current migrant crisis (fueled by reckless regime change/driven policy) simply accelerates the problems.

Europe’s situation is getting worse and as each year goes by and many People have no voice, no hope and no chance of prosperity anymore.

Since the GFC the Eurozone has required constant ECB/Brussels intervention as it lurches from one crisis to the next ( it’s effectively a ponzi scheme)

Brussels has intervened at the expense of democracy and I believe has gotten way too big for its boots.

Further, Brussels wants even more Europe and by definition even more CONTROL, Frankly it needs this power so that its grip on dissenters is not challenged.

IMO the further the Uk distances itself from a reliance on Europe/Brussels the better placed it will be when the shtf and the whole shambolic, Ill conceived project finally succumbs and chaos ensues”

So in layman’s language, the Eurozone is a bankrupt Ponzi scheme that has oppressed democracy in every place that has dared to challenge it.

Eu central bank QUIETLY relaunched LTRO last week, basically to ensure Italy sells €400 billion in debt it needs to survive, bought by Eurozone banks with free LTRO money, cos no one else would buy it!!!

Also, there are talks on a Deutsche Bank/ Commerzbank bank tie up now being discussed... basically a STEALTH Bailout of Deutsche Bank... note the IMF warning its riskiest bank in the world due to derivative exposure.

Deutsche Bank poses greatest risk to global financial system

HSBC and Credit Suisse also important source of systemic risk, according to IMF assessment

www.fnlondon.com

Is that enough for you?

 

[Wattie]

The majority of Brexiter MPs do not want a No Deal Brexit. That's why it was voted that there will not be a no deal Brexit.

As I said before. The Brexiters cannot agree with regards to what Brexit they want.

If you asked the 17.4 million who voted out what kind of Brexit they want, they wouldn't agree either!

This is why you have to stop the clock (so to speak now) get everyone on side with what kind of Brexit you want, then re-invoke Article 50. As it can be done at any time.
If we do that the EU will have to negotiate this time as the other countries who want to leave will also do the same.

What? The other countries that want to leave will also do the same?
Who’s that then.
Why will they do well by us to encourage others to do the same?
They don’t want anyone to leave.

 

[rockits]

I know a senior director at Deutsche Bank and we have had many conversations at various points for many years that they were bust 10 times over. This was many years ago. They will get bailed out and propped up of course as seems to be the done but wrong thing IMHO.

We should not be rewarding failure any more. Surely this is an easy thing to stop happening. Still happens every where. Don't start me off on premiership football managers or players!

 

[Wattie]

what about " the young ones"

None of them voted to leave apparantly...only middle aged and old ones!

 

[Wattie]

I know a senior director at Deutsche Bank and we have had many conversations at various points for many years that they were bust 10 times over. This was many years ago. They will get bailed out and propped up of course as seems to be the done but wrong thing IMHO.

We should not be rewarding failure any more. Surely this is an easy thing to stop happening. Still happens every where. Don't start me off on premiership football managers or players!

Db ******* deliberately fiddled their accounts to stay afloat umpteen ******* times and those ******* in the Eu turned a blind eye. Most of Greece’s money bailed out Deutsche and other banks (only 5% of money Greece borrowed stayed in Greece)....now Greece is on the hook for borrowing the money even tho none of it stayed there.....it bailed out the Euro bankrupt banks.
Stupid politicians
Db’s share price.....wonder why a stealth bailout is occurring.

 

[rockits]

He has put his life into Deutsche Bank and partl due to Brexit it has exposed their issues. He and all family has moved from UK to Frankfurt now unfortunately and not seen him since they moved. He is pretty upset as his pension and exit plan has all gone different to planned!

 

[rockits]

so at the risk of sounding dim, why would you want to leave??

I would vote leave and it would likely mean myself/family being financially worse off in the short to medium term. Just because I feel it is the right thing for us to do medium to long term. I'm selfless like that.

If everyone decided to do only what was good for themselves which is mainly what is happening then therein lies your problem. Everyone is out for themselves which is an inherent social issue that needs to be addressed.

 

[GeoffCapes]

What? The other countries that want to leave will also do the same?
Who’s that then.
Why will they do well by us to encourage others to do the same?
They don’t want anyone to leave.

If you negotiate, no-one gets exactly what they want. You give a little you take a little. That's how it works.
If you don't give anything and take everything, you get the other parties back up. This is when they throw their toys out.
The pro's and con's for staying and leaving are different for every single country. And I don't know what each of them are and we wouldn't have the time nor the space to go through them.
So we'll just take that a read.

Other countries who want to leave. Holland. Italy. Dare I say it the French (depending on who the government is).
They all have their own leave movement.
If I were a betting man, I would put my money on Holland being the next to leave if we somehow manage it.
However, it is best for everyone involved if we have a steady exit as opposed to everyone out at the same time.

Then it can be managed, and the whole European economy doesn't go down the pan, as we will all be affected badly by that.
You have to think of the EU as a house of cards, actually a Jenga tower would be more apt.

You can take some pieces out and still maintain a tower. Take too many, too quickly and the whole thing comes crashing down.

 

[Wattie]

The majority of Brexiter MPs do not want a No Deal Brexit. That's why it was voted that there will not be a no deal Brexit.

As I said before. The Brexiters cannot agree with regards to what Brexit they want.

If you asked the 17.4 million who voted out what kind of Brexit they want, they wouldn't agree either!

This is why you have to stop the clock (so to speak now) get everyone on side with what kind of Brexit you want, then re-invoke Article 50. As it can be done at any time.
If we do that the EU will have to negotiate this time as the other countries who want to leave will also do the same.

Just to be clear then, and I have mentioned this once before....remainers want to stay with the Eu but with the £ .......not the €?
Clearly remainers feel very strongly about staying so that must mean we fully embrace the € and all the benefits it brings us...yes.
I suspect not,
You all know that there is no way you will join-that.
Let’s put that on the referendum.
Mays deal , no deal ,join the Euro.

 

[Wattie]

If you negotiate, no-one gets exactly what they want. You give a little you take a little. That's how it works.
If you don't give anything and take everything, you get the other parties back up. This is when they throw their toys out.
The pro's and con's for staying and leaving are different for every single country. And I don't know what each of them are and we wouldn't have the time nor the space to go through them.
So we'll just take that a read.

Other countries who want to leave. Holland. Italy. Dare I say it the French (depending on who the government is).
They all have their own leave movement.
If I were a betting man, I would put my money on Holland being the next to leave if we somehow manage it.
However, it is best for everyone involved if we have a steady exit as opposed to everyone out at the same time.

Then it can be managed, and the whole European economy doesn't go down the pan, as we will all be affected badly by that.
You have to think of the EU as a house of cards, actually a Jenga tower would be more apt.

You can take some pieces out and still maintain a tower. Take too many, too quickly and the whole thing comes crashing down.

May didn’t negotiate, she surrendered theUK’s position and I don’t give a dam about other countries and what they decide to do.
Steady exit? As far as I am concerned you get out of the Eu and watch it crumble.....we are trying to do that first........

 

[lifes2short]

I would vote leave and it would likely mean myself/family being financially worse off in the short to medium term. Just because I feel it is the right thing for us to do medium to long term. I'm selfless like that.

If everyone decided to do only what was good for themselves which is mainly what is happening then therein lies your problem. Everyone is out for themselves which is an inherent social issue that needs to be addressed.

my policy is look after number one, I can be a real selfish bast4rd when I need to be

 

[lifes2short]

Here you go post 1967,
Geoff has forgotten my answer.
Same excuse remainer Mps will No doubt give when asked why they didn’t follow through.

“Thanks for answering Geoff re the Euro. I’d be very surprised if any/many remainers wanted to adopt the Euro.

One of the reasons I voted leave is because I believe that the Europe and the Euro will implode at some point. I think fiscal strains and the total disillusionment of individuals in countries suffering from such will at some point prove too much.

The current migrant crisis (fueled by reckless regime change/driven policy) simply accelerates the problems.

Europe’s situation is getting worse and as each year goes by and many People have no voice, no hope and no chance of prosperity anymore.

Since the GFC the Eurozone has required constant ECB/Brussels intervention as it lurches from one crisis to the next ( it’s effectively a ponzi scheme)

Brussels has intervened at the expense of democracy and I believe has gotten way too big for its boots.

Further, Brussels wants even more Europe and by definition even more CONTROL, Frankly it needs this power so that its grip on dissenters is not challenged.

IMO the further the Uk distances itself from a reliance on Europe/Brussels the better placed it will be when the shtf and the whole shambolic, Ill conceived project finally succumbs and chaos ensues”

So in layman’s language, the Eurozone is a bankrupt Ponzi scheme that has oppressed democracy in every place that has dared to challenge it.

Eu central bank QUIETLY relaunched LTRO last week, basically to ensure Italy sells €400 billion in debt it needs to survive, bought by Eurozone banks with free LTRO money, cos no one else would buy it!!!

Also, there are talks on a Deutsche Bank/ Commerzbank bank tie up now being discussed... basically a STEALTH Bailout of Deutsche Bank... note the IMF warning its riskiest bank in the world due to derivative exposure.

Deutsche Bank poses greatest risk to global financial system

HSBC and Credit Suisse also important source of systemic risk, according to IMF assessment

www.fnlondon.com

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Is that enough for you?

the short layman's reply would have been good enough, cant read all that it gives me a headache just looking at it

 

[lifes2short]

None of them voted to leave apparantly...only middle aged and old ones!

surely vyvian would of voted leave

 

[lifes2short]

 

[rockits]

my policy is look after number one, I can be a real selfish bast4rd when I need to be

That of course is your prerogative and I can respect anyone's opinion and stance. Don't come crying to me though when it comes to bite you on the backside in years to come as I will have little sympathy.

Surely you must have a small caring bone in your body to care and worry about others other than yourself at some point though?

When you are old and grey there would be nothing left to look after you at this point.

 

[lifes2short]

That of course is your prerogative and I can respect anyone's opinion and stance. Don't come crying to me though when it comes to bite you on the backside in years to come as I will have little sympathy.

Surely you must have a small caring bone in your body to care and worry about others other than yourself at some point though?

When you are old and grey there would be nothing left to look after you at this point.

grey already and old is not far behind, of course I care and my wife regularly gives to various charities, but at the end of the day my family comes first, I can see no real benefit from leaving and quite the contrary, I would love to live in a society that cares and has respect for one another and that includes all immigrants who come here to work hard and build a better future for themselves.