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philw696 said:
Well here in France lockdown for 16 Departments in Northern France around Paris for a month as we now have the British variant causing major problems.
Stay Safe all.
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Is it really a British variant, or a variant discovered and quite rightly publicized by the U K at the time, one that likely did not originate here. But has been termed as the British varient by those to choose to call it that, for whatever reason. France should get its act together, along with the others in Europe, stop the political bullsh1t and vaccinate its population. Or maybe they should develop their own vaccine. Oops sorry, they already tried that didn’t they.
 
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jayblue said:
. The "positive" case he had contact with subsequently went away and had a proper test which came back negative. But the school insisted on him isolating.
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What!!!
This is total nonsense. What was the point in going for the second test.
It was deemed totally irrelevant by the school. Isolate anyway.

They’ve all lost the plot on this.

All of you harping on about vaccinating populations are in cloud cuckoo land. If they don’t make it compulsory vaccination for all ,its never gonna happen. Kids etc will leave millions unvaccinated in society.

They also reckon it’s gonna be 2024 before some poor countries around the world get a first vaccine - so it’s always gonna be here..

Why are we vaccine reliant?

How long do the vaccines provide protection for?
They don’t know- do they?
They don’t know if they’ll be effective on future strains either.
Further,you may need future boosters (this hasn’t been tested thus far)

The facts are being ignored.
97+% of people survive this -without a vaccine.

You’d think it was less than 3% with what’s going on.

Unless something dramatic changes by politicians this hellish scenario of “fear mongering” will be here for ever and we’ll all be tied to a “needle” for future freedoms.
 
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Every Country does it list count how many the UK have had from Brazilian to South African but they are adamant the one causing problems here has come over from the UK.
Not just us lots of Europe having problems now and letting people travel freely will just make maters worse I feel.
 
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philw696 said:
Just seems to me since Brexit that the nasty vibes are getting worse between the UK and the EU lots of dirty washing hanging about :(
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Aye. Does seem to be some bad feelings. Can't say I've seen much over here. More along the lines of eye rolling as Macron, Merkel and UvdL make fools of themselves thrashing about to <shrug>

But, as ever there are three sides to every story.

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Politicians will always want to point the finger at someone or somewhere... The Chinese virus, Immigrants pushing up crime and assaults, Global Warming, reasons the economy is down the pan... just a way of deflecting local criticism and their own failures.
 
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Felonious Crud said:
Isn't the issue, though, that hospitals become overwhelmed and can't treat people with other ailments?
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Actually that is what happened in reality as the NHS largely shutdown in a lot of other specialities. I know NHS Consultants who were embarrassed at the Thursday clapping in lockdown 1 as they weren't seeing any patients. Despite this we needed lockdown 1 as a year ago no one knew whether half of us would be dead by Christmas but academics will be arguing for years whether lockdown 2 killed more people than it saved. I have various friends who were receiving chemo and for some it continued and for some it did not but when the latter cohort dies earlier than the former, Covid will not make it on to the death certificate even though it will be largely contributory and certainly more so than the broad '28 days since a positive test' definition that we have adopted in the stats for Covid.

All western countries were really stuck with this as the first role of any democratically elected government is to protect its population and people and the media look for immediacy in this in Covid deaths on the news. We will all know people who have died in the last year where Covid is a factor and lockdown 1 was, in the main, done really well but government policy since last summer might be viewed as being too risk adverse where the cure actually kills more people than the disease over the medium term....and this isn't an antivax view as for clinically vulnerable and older patients vaccines are the best route out of this situation albeit with the caveat that we don't know how many they will need and how often.
 
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Felonious Crud said:
Isn't the issue, though, that hospitals become overwhelmed and can't treat people with other ailments? It's good that almost everyone survives, but the opportunity cost of their survival is high.
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There’s no doubt that hospitals became overwhelmed.
You can’t plan for what’s happened,
But they shut down treatment to others, regardless, in any case. ( they should have closed borders from day 1 until they knew what they were dealing with)

This is being “blanket” treated. Everyone is at risk from Covid.
Shutdown everyone.
The majority of People aren’t at risk.

Yes it’s step in the right direction but in Reality risk depends on who you are, fitness, health issues and AGE.
Result- economy fucced, covid still here, future uncertain.
NHS ok.
Oh and Billions in debt.
 
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Rwc13 said:
One might ask where all the fear mongering started.....not with politicians I would suggest
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Observation... based on several responses.
Catman.
You post, about my posts.
He likes your posts (even though he is ignoring me).
Your posts often conflict with mine
 
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With this third wave sweeping mainland Europe, isn't it time we shut our borders/tighten up more border crossings/isolation hotels for more entering, as we are currently in a good position presently.
 
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