Brexit Deal

2b1ask1 said:

Simply - BRING IT ON

However you want to try and spin it, two party politics has been handed its notice, even if the dead in the water Cons’ insist on hanging on for the duration of the full term they are only going to delay their own demise.

The Biased Broadcasting Collaboration are doing their best to find some glimmer of status quo to hang onto, hilarious.

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OK ... Not trying to spin - just trying to counter some of the BS that I’m sure will get spoken....

I completely agree that these elections show how the nation is fed up with two party politics, and with Conservative and Labour... however, below are the facts:



So, if we add Labour to the 40% anti-Brexit (because they want a 2nd referendum or a general election in preference of a no deal exit), and we add Conservative to the pro-Brexit vote, the numbers are the numbers...

And how do you know the percentage of Tory and labour voters who support brexit/ are anti brexit? You cannot lump all the labour voter in to the 'anti Brexit ' vote and vice versa with the Tory voters, just because their party might hold one view, as lets face it the main political party's have proved that their elected representatives are out of touch with a large proportion of the people who actually vote for them, and don't represent their views, as has been said, you can make the figures say whatever you want! There is only one clear fact to come out of all this, the country is broadly split down the middle on this issue, and how it is all going to pan out f**k Knows. (was trying to find a BS emoti just for you Jon, but we don't appear to have one! )

Don't forget to take into account that those numbers only reflect the people who could be bothered to turn out to vote. What was the turnout? Circa 30-40% at a guess. Not really representative of the country's feelings. The two main parties got a right hammering though!

JonW said:

OK ... Not trying to spin - just trying to counter some of the BS that I’m sure will get spoken....

I completely agree that these elections show how the nation is fed up with two party politics, and with Conservative and Labour... however, below are the facts:

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So, if we add Labour to the 40% anti-Brexit (because they want a 2nd referendum or a general election in preference of a no deal exit), and we add Conservative to the pro-Brexit vote, the numbers are the numbers...

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I’m not going to argue against the numbers. You are correct to argue that they may represent a greater remain/ new referendum vote.....on this occasion.
I will argue that this is irrelevant as we should have already left, it wasnt the best of 3.

The result of referendum 1 should still be implemented- which was the promise made to the electorate.

What’s interesting now is exactly how the 2 major losers now dig themselves out of this mess and who they form alliances with to do it.
Seems they’re gonna have to come down on one side of the fence or the other to restore any essence of credibility.

Farage will be breathing down their necks as they do so.

Trev Latter said:

Don't forget to take into account that those numbers only reflect the people who could be bothered to turn out to vote. What was the turnout? Circa 30-40% at a guess. Not really representative of the country's feelings. The two main parties got a right hammering though!

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I thought that was Capes’ response there Trev.

EU elections are always poorly turned out and are pretty much seen as a protest or throw away vote. This is why the Greens do well as whilst people are supportive of them, they would not want them running the country.

So no Remain party could be bothered to organise themselves and stand instead they relied on the established parties and so the vote was split
34% turn out I believe and Brexit party wiped the floor with them.
However this is not a General Election where the tribes will return imho and it will be Con v Lab essentially.
After all who wants Farage as PM?
So the two party system is far from dead only taking a respite

The result of referendum 1 should still be implemented- which was the promise made to the electorate.

Wattie surely you don’t mean the very first one in 1975 where and when we joined?

2b1ask1 said:

... the Greens do well as whilst people are supportive of them, they would not want them running the country.

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Very true!

More stats, stats and **** stats...

Votes for Brexit Party:
5,244,893.

Petition to revoke Article 50:
6,085,017.

Signing an online petition didn’t involve getting of their ar$es for go to a polling station, just following the click bait...

2b1ask1 said:

Signing an online petition didn’t involve getting of their ar$es for go to a polling station, just following the click bait...

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What like the click bait on Facebook to leave the EU to believe the nonsense on immigration and the breaking point poster do you mean that type of coercive primal politics

MaserCoupe said:

What like the click bait on Facebook to leave the EU to believe the nonsense on immigration and the breaking point poster do you mean that type of coercive primal politics

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They are all at it; I'm sure it got Trump elected, the point I was making is the comparison between a physical action of going to vote (or at the very least the post box) over the simplicity of two swipes with the thumb.

I'm sure when voting becomes as effortless as unlocking your phone the turn out will be far higher.... Heck while we are updating it, lets move the task to the thought police to collect!

2b1ask1 said:

They are all at it; I'm sure it got Trump elected, the point I was making is the comparison between a physical action of going to vote (or at the very least the post box) over the simplicity of two swipes with the thumb.

I'm sure when voting becomes as effortless as unlocking your phone the turn out will be far higher.... Heck while we are updating it, lets move the task to the thought police to collect!

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In all fairness, that’s not how the parliament petition system works. You have to go to the site, confirm you are a UK citizen, give your full name, email, postcode and then verify your signing it by clicking a link on an email.

It is easier than walking to the polling station, but not dissimilar to casting a postal vote.

So there is some validity to a comparison in my view.

2b1ask1 said:

They are all at it; I'm sure it got Trump elected, the point I was making is the comparison between a physical action of going to vote (or at the very least the post box) over the simplicity of two swipes with the thumb.

I'm sure when voting becomes as effortless as unlocking your phone the turn out will be far higher.... Heck while we are updating it, lets move the task to the thought police to collect!

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Thought Police??? It’s not a question of not being “free” to have your say or talking freely, it’s rather, thinking about what you are saying and why you are saying what you’re saying, the basis, what you are acting on... people usually bring the thought police sentiment when they think what they say isn’t offensive... but it really is and hate the fact that someone is picking them up on it.

No one individual likes to be criticised and that is fair enough, it’s who and what we are, our make up, however it shouldn’t define us and our relationships with others that are different to us.

In recent times we’ve seen Farage use the same old divisive tactics on how the poor underprivileged, is down trodden and it’s all the fault of the EU-Elites and The foreigners who steal our jobs blah blah blah. EU elite!? F....me!?! Isn’t he one of them then!? UKIP was decimated and where did that voter disappear to? Not one day after Farage stood in front of that Breaking Point poster, Joe Cox was murdered by a man shouting “Britain first” espousing that she was a threat to white people!

So yes I’m no fan of Farage and frankly can’t see him uniting our country.

Tommeh Robinson didn't get to be a MEP but as I understand it your can't become a MEP with a criminal record.

"When standing as a candidate in European elections, you will be required to make a declaration that you are not disqualified from standing as a candidate and that you are not standing in any other EU country. You may need to provide a document proving the absence of a criminal record."

And our Tommeh has several criminal convictions more recent ones being travelling on a false passport and mortgage fraud.

So I don't know what he's complaining about.....

2b1ask1 said:

This is why the Greens do well as whilst people are supportive of them, they would not want them running the country.

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Are you eligible to vote for the green party if you drive a V8 or deisel?
Surely you have to wear sandals too!

JonW said:

OK ... Not trying to spin - just trying to counter some of the BS that I’m sure will get spoken....

I completely agree that these elections show how the nation is fed up with two party politics, and with Conservative and Labour... however, below are the facts:

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So, if we add Labour to the 40% anti-Brexit (because they want a 2nd referendum or a general election in preference of a no deal exit), and we add Conservative to the pro-Brexit vote, the numbers are the numbers...

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Without making any assumptions.
Add up the Brexit vote, add up the Ukip vote, add the Conservative vote, who are still a party that says we are going to leave, and you will find that Leave beat Remain.

2-0.

Leave out the flip/flops and the split is 52/48% again as per the last referendum.

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Wattie said:

Without making any assumptions.
Add up the Brexit vote, add up the Ukip vote, add the Conservative vote, who are still a party that says we are going to leave, and you will find that Leave beat Remain.

2-0.

Leave out the flip/flops and the split is 52/48% again as per the last referendum.

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That is definitely one way of slicing it, but it isn’t the only way and I respectfully suggest that it is at the extreme end of interpretation. The conservatives lost out most heavily in leave voting parts of the country, so it would be fair to surmise that that remaining Tory vote isn’t on the leave or (to use common parlance) the hard Brexit end of the scale.

Labour sat on the fence and ended up with most of it stuck up their ****. But it would still be fair to say that their supporters are narrowly remain, despite them losing out equally in areas that voted either way in the referendum.

I am in the remain camp, but I can clearly see that remaining would not satisfy a majority of voters. I can also see that leaving in a no deal / hard Brexit scenario would do the same.

What is the answer? There is clearly no simple response to that question.