Brexit Deal

MaserCoupe · Apr 1, 2019

jasst said:
White Pro-EU Remainer squares up to Black Pro-Brexit Leaver.

So if, according to the left wing press and Remain MPs, "all Brexiteers are, white, immigrant hating, far Right-wing racists", how do you, possibly, explain this?

I bet this confuses the **** out of lefty libtards, especially that moron, Channel 4 News Anchor John Snow who said, speaking about the, Brexit, crowd in Westminsrer "I have never seen so many white people in one place"! FFS LOL is poor John Snow going a bit doolally in his old age?

Interesting to note that the monocle mutineer and the most in touch man in the country JRM just declared with his observation that “92% of the British population is white” Hmmmmmh Really?...........Why would he retweet segments of the overtly racist German far right party? Very weird...

GeoffCapes · Apr 1, 2019

When you think about it, it would appear that the majority of the leave camp, not just on here, support a no deal leave strategy.
It would appear that there is no way any kind of 'deal' is going to get done.

Here's an idea.

Have another vote. Two options.

No deal Brexit.
Remain in the Eu.

As basically, for most Brexiters 1 is the only option, anything less is 'betraying the vote'.
And it also keeps to the first referendum's 'promise' (obviously all the promises were actually lies but lets humour the leave camp).
And also gives the Remain camp the vote they wanted.

If you look at the various opinion polls, the leave camp still think they will win.
The remain camp think they will win.

There's the answer. Win win.

Well except for whoever loses.

GeoffCapes · Apr 1, 2019

midlifecrisis said:
You're changing your argument now. Contributions aren't just one way. Many UK projects are funded by the EU. Here's a list that the Daily Fail would not want you to see and these are for UK transport only

European Commission | United Kingdom

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ec.europa.eu

You forget the other projects not listed.

Investment in UK Universities. Which is approximately 17% of each University's budget.
Regeneration projects for towns and cities. For example Folkestone was due for €300m of EU funding over the next 10 years, and the idiots voted leave! (you couldn't make it up!).
There were around 50 similar projects around the UK with similar levels of funding.

Corranga · Apr 1, 2019

GeoffCapes said:
When you think about it, it would appear that the majority of the leave camp, not just on here, support a no deal leave strategy.
It would appear that there is no way any kind of 'deal' is going to get done.

Here's an idea.

Have another vote. Two options.

No deal Brexit.

Remain in the Eu.

As basically, for most Brexiters 1 is the only option, anything less is 'betraying the vote'.
And it also keeps to the first referendum's 'promise' (obviously all the promises were actually lies but lets humour the leave camp).
And also gives the Remain camp the vote they wanted.

If you look at the various opinion polls, the leave camp still think they will win.
The remain camp think they will win.

There's the answer. Win win.

Well except for whoever loses.

It's win win for about 5 minutes. Then we start questioning what no deal actually means.
There is no way we can, as a country, ignore the EU. It will still exist, so we'll have to trade with them.
Ok, so on No Deal day, we can fall back to WTO, but we all know that's a **** option and will have to be replaced soon, so then we'll enter negotiations with the EU on a trade deal. We'll have to incorporate all of the safety standards required for goods
to be traded to the EU, and probably have to come up with some funds to agree a tax free deal (or watch those who export loose due to sales being more due to taxes etc.)
We'd have to put in a border with Ireland.
We also have to negotiate trade deals with other countries, I'm sure the recent EU - Japan one took about 5 years to negotiate and agree, so you can put whatever timelines you like on these.
Meanwhile all of the EU subsidised projects need to be funded from the UK government, and our government is already struggling to fund (and find the time) all the new law writing (beyond just copy and pasting the EU laws with EU changed to Britain), unemployment is rising since not being in the EU is making it difficult for companies to operate in the UK, with it's lack of trading deals, more people are struggling to eat as food prices are rising due to the trade deals, and everyone is shouting at the government to do something, and quickly.

So we end up landing somewhere around May's deal, or worse , at least in the short term as we didn't have a plan, and listened to the people, who don't know the answer, but are happy to tick a box on a ballot paper and point at the government when they screw it up.

Gogs253 · Apr 1, 2019

I think we are deluded if we think that the Eu is being generous in funding projects in the Uk.
Where do we think the funding is coming from? It can only come from the amount member states put in, so we are getting a little bit back of what we put in and the rest will go to projects in other member states while delegates generally live very well off the whole process.

GeoffCapes · Apr 1, 2019

Corranga said:
It's win win for about 5 minutes. Then we start questioning what no deal actually means.
There is no way we can, as a country, ignore the EU. It will still exist, so we'll have to trade with them.
Ok, so on No Deal day, we can fall back to WTO, but we all know that's a **** option and will have to be replaced soon, so then we'll enter negotiations with the EU on a trade deal. We'll have to incorporate all of the safety standards required for goods
to be traded to the EU, and probably have to come up with some funds to agree a tax free deal (or watch those who export loose due to sales being more due to taxes etc.)
We'd have to put in a border with Ireland.
We also have to negotiate trade deals with other countries, I'm sure the recent EU - Japan one took about 5 years to negotiate and agree, so you can put whatever timelines you like on these.
Meanwhile all of the EU subsidised projects need to be funded from the UK government, and our government is already struggling to fund (and find the time) all the new law writing (beyond just copy and pasting the EU laws with EU changed to Britain), unemployment is rising since not being in the EU is making it difficult for companies to operate in the UK, with it's lack of trading deals, more people are struggling to eat as food prices are rising due to the trade deals, and everyone is shouting at the government to do something, and quickly.

So we end up landing somewhere around May's deal, or worse , at least in the short term as we didn't have a plan, and listened to the people, who don't know the answer, but are happy to tick a box on a ballot paper and point at the government when they screw it up.

Why not? People get the 'Leave' they wanted.

Or is it that some leavers actually realise that leaving ain't such a good thing?

Wack61 · Apr 1, 2019

My opinion is it's a done deal , BREXIT cancelled , turns out we don't live in a democracy after all , the establishment gives us power to vote in labour or conservative every few years but when the people make a decision they don't like they just overrule it , no different to a dictatorship if we're not actually in control

MaserCoupe · Apr 1, 2019

GeoffCapes said:
Why not? People get the 'Leave' they wanted.
Or is it that some leavers actually realise that leaving ain't such a good thing?

I tell you the ERG, The hardliners and the proponents of Brexit are just going through the motions with downplaying and trying to find a route to climb down from the mess they’ve created. They are soiling themselves right now because they know the game is up.

Their arguments have been debunked and it is now a face saving excercise at our expense.

Gogs253 · Apr 1, 2019

The recent Eu - Japan deal doesn't seem the most clever ever done. The motor industry will retreat back to Japan. No need to have assembly plants in Europe anymore - just ship then from Japan using the zero tariff deal. That deal (and the diesel issue) probably did more for Japanese investment in the motor industry in uk than brexit did. As a bonus for Japan, the supply chain for the industry will thrive.

Wattie · Apr 1, 2019

GeoffCapes said:
When you think about it, it would appear that the majority of the leave camp, not just on here, support a no deal leave strategy.
It would appear that there is no way any kind of 'deal' is going to get done.

Here's an idea.

Have another vote. Two options.

No deal Brexit.

Remain in the Eu.

As basically, for most Brexiters 1 is the only option, anything less is 'betraying the vote'.
And it also keeps to the first referendum's 'promise' (obviously all the promises were actually lies but lets humour the leave camp).
And also gives the Remain camp the vote they wanted.

If you look at the various opinion polls, the leave camp still think they will win.
The remain camp think they will win.

There's the answer. Win win.

Well except for whoever loses.

The member for Remaintown has suggested a compromise that’s a betrayal of the LEAVE result, that MP’s stood for and promised to implement.
If a referendum is to be held, to respect the result and democracy it should be;

No deal
Or
Mays deal (or indeed any other that is negotiated)

Anything else is a betrayal of the vote.
I’ll give way.

GeoffCapes · Apr 1, 2019

Wattie said:
The member for Remaintown has suggested a compromise that’s a betrayal of the LEAVE result, that MP’s stood for and promised to implement.
If a referendum is to be held, to respect the result and democracy it should be;

No deal
Or
Mays deal (or indeed any other that is negotiated)

Anything else is a betrayal of the vote.
I’ll give way.

I take your point Wattie, but a vote such as that means that only 17.4 million people can vote as the remainers want neither.
And also it excludes all of the people who didn't vote.
Hence you have to let everyone vote, as otherwise it's not democracy!

*I'm sure you've detected the slight hint of irony in that post!

MaserCoupe · Apr 1, 2019

Wattie said:
The member for Remaintown has suggested a compromise that’s a betrayal of the LEAVE result, that MP’s stood for and promised to implement.
If a referendum is to be held, to respect the result and democracy it should be;

No deal
Or
Mays deal (or indeed any other that is negotiated)

Anything else is a betrayal of the vote.
I’ll give way.

The same vote hey wattie that the electoral commission found was cheating and in breach of the law and heavily fined for. The leave campaign only three days ago dropped their appeal. Oh yes nothing to see here eh. Vote leave basically urinated on our democracy. Wattie I do love you though, you are an entertaining read and your posts are hilarious.

Wattie · Apr 1, 2019

GeoffCapes said:
I take your point Wattie, but a vote such as that means that only 17.4 million people can vote as the remainers want neither.
And also it excludes all of the people who didn't vote.
Hence you have to let everyone vote, as otherwise it's not democracy!

*I'm sure you've detected the slight hint of irony in that post!

The Remaintown member is incorrect, we would allow all to vote on those two options.
Total democracy for the entire UK population on how we leave.
I’ll give way

Wattie · Apr 1, 2019

MaserCoupe said:
The same vote hey wattie that the electoral commission found was cheating and in breach of the law and heavily fined for. The leave campaign only three days ago dropped their appeal. Oh yes nothing to see here eh. Vote leave basically urinated on our democracy. Wattie I do love you though, you are an entertaining read and your posts are hilarious.

Need I remind the Remaintown member of the Significantly bigger budget of remain, or indeed the example of how to complete the ballot paper by ticking the remain box.

Perhaps you will find my manifesto below entertains too.

1.Impliment Brexit, re-unite the Kingdom
2.Rectify the gender inequalities of our Gregorian calender
3.Appoint Michael McIntyre as deputy
4. Deal with aob.

Disclaimer- whilst this is my manifesto I may totally disregard everything on it once I have been elected.

I’ll give way.

Zep · Apr 1, 2019

Wattie said:
3.Appoint Michael McIntyre as deputy

Much like the Amber Rudd comments earlier, this is unconscionable in my opinion!

Rwc13 · Apr 1, 2019

GeoffCapes said:
When you think about it, it would appear that the majority of the leave camp, not just on here, support a no deal leave strategy.
It would appear that there is no way any kind of 'deal' is going to get done.

Here's an idea.

Have another vote. Two options.

No deal Brexit.

Remain in the Eu.

As basically, for most Brexiters 1 is the only option, anything less is 'betraying the vote'.
And it also keeps to the first referendum's 'promise' (obviously all the promises were actually lies but lets humour the leave camp).
And also gives the Remain camp the vote they wanted.

If you look at the various opinion polls, the leave camp still think they will win.
The remain camp think they will win.

There's the answer. Win win.

Well except for whoever loses.

I think you’ll find both sides told “lies”, not just leave, but in fact many “lies” were opinions, estimates, and possibly exaggerations since nobody really knows as it’s never been done before.

MaserCoupe · Apr 1, 2019

What’s that Nigel Dodds you think it’s better to remain in the EU!????!! Well can we have our money back from you and the DUP then....

Corranga · Apr 1, 2019

Gogs253 said:
I think we are deluded if we think that the Eu is being generous in funding projects in the Uk.
Where do we think the funding is coming from? It can only come from the amount member states put in, so we are getting a little bit back of what we put in and the rest will go to projects in other member states while delegates generally live very well off the whole process.

It's not about being deluded, or thinking anyone is being generous.
It's about wealth redistribution, and on a larger scale than just the UK.
It's about taking it from the rich and using to fund things like jobs, research, industries like farming where we need certain things, but other things are worth more to the farmers etc.
Some members will put in more than others, and some will get out more than others.

All members benefit from the included trade deals, the power of a huge number of countries with a huge number of industries and import/export spend when negotiating new trade deals, a reduction in the amount of bureaucracy when dealing with other countries, and a reduction in the amount of laws required, government departments required etc.

Wack61 · Apr 1, 2019

Corranga said:
It's not about being deluded, or thinking anyone is being generous.
It's about wealth redistribution, and on a larger scale than just the UK.
It's about taking it from the rich

If you think the rich pay tax then you really are deluded

CatmanV2 · Apr 1, 2019

Wack61 said:
If you think the rich pay tax they you really are deluded

That rather depends on your definition of 'rich'

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