This one put a tear in your eye.....

[Tiburon44]

Just saw this one.....Does eurospares know of this one too?

http://www.copart.co.uk/c2/homeSear...e2s1&lotId=14657680&returnPage=SEARCH_RESULTS

 

[Andyk]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO....There aren't enough AC out there now one less. Very sad.

 

[lozcb]

Interesting No 22 of 75 , may well be on Phils register , he keeps an Ac register , thats only a Cat C and i doubt very much that Eurospares would be interested at the price it will go for, that car will be repaired and back on the road , the damage really isnt that bad


regards loz

 

[Andyk]

Really Loz, so once repaired what do you think it could sell for.

 

[lozcb]

That ac wil go for around £4500-£5k repair costs in the region of £3K max thats allowing for some incidentals that we cant see, i reckon £2_2500K if i was doing it , only 46k miles , so maybe a market value of around £10/11K sort of car you can do , own for 2 years and sell on getting your money back , possibly making a grand or two if its done really well , Our very own David Askew might well have a crack at it , its right down his street , but he's very ameniable if a forum member wanted it he would refrain from bidding , and also be a great help with any parts needed , he's a great guy so worth doing some phone calls first

regards loz

 

[Andyk]

So about 4 to 5k below market value.

 

[lozcb]

Think you would be hard pushed to sell a good Cat C assetto corsa for more than £11K Lowish miles on that one would help push it up to £11K i think as long as full photographic before and after repair pics and a good indie report shows an enthusiastic owner , yeah good assetto 's are fetcthing £14K -£15K easily

regards loz

 

[conaero]

One more less, shame!

Hopefully someone will put it back on the road, the AC numbers a dwindling.

 

[Andyk]

If it's well sorted I'll give 9.5k for it...

 

[Gullible]

Strange because i have not really heard of anyone gettinga good price for a cat D let alone a cat C damaged repaired.
In the world of high performance cars any damages tend to make potential buyer "run to the hills".
I looked into buying a porsche on a 2006 plate around Xmas and an HPI check said that turned out to be a cat D condition alert!.
When i questioned the seller/garage,It was supposed to have had very light panel damage by a careless owner and a bollard,been repaired by porsche themselves.......and then later...maybe not porsche but definatly the insurer.
If the insurer had repaired then it would not be a V car.and would not be recorded against the car.
I insisted the car be sent to Newcastle porsche for an inspection if i was to even consider it
Porsche took a quick look at the car then requested the dodgy trader come and collect it as they would do nothing more with it.
Turns out that it had 4WD with porsche active suspension management and porsche stability management...But only on the rear wheels!! the dumb buggers has found another rear end write off and donated the parts from that to this one.
Problem is the doner car was much older,was a 2WD Non PSM and Non PASM model and furthermore they mixed the brakes and disks from a completely different model porsche onto this as well.and they actually artificially bent the front stabiliser bars to fit the incorrect suspension and stearing!!!
Porsche said it was a potential deathtrap and would cost around £10,000+ to get right, then once fixed it would need to be KDS checked and if that passed, it would Maybe..just maybe... get half of its book value to a private seller if i was lucky.
They said the damages were a very heavy frontal and the repaires were a joke.
And all this for £30,000!!!
Trading standards i believe prosecuted this seller as they had 2 porsche cars for sale and both had been accident damaged Cat D and they were not informing buyers of this!
I would certainly look at a Cat daaged car but it would really need to be very slight and very well documented repaire by a known specialist...and be very very cheap.
...Maybe i am way off the mark though...

 

[lozcb]

Cant say im an expert in this field Alex , just do few for myself every now and again but ive been doing it for around 10 years or so and have some very good contacts in the trade , , never had a problem selling one on after ive owned for it couple of years , as most know i dont do it for profit , i do it as a means of having a higher end car for half the money and getting my dosh back after a couple of years ownership if i make a bob or two , then thats a bonus but its not my sole purpose , I am !00% honest when it comes to sale time and the car would be advertised as such with full supporting eveidence
Because the ones i do are only for me , and at some point in the future will be sold i take extensive pics of before and during repairs , i dont cut corners and i only buy the lightest of damage cars , usually just bolt on parts , but for my own peace of mind have the car checked on a recognised jig set up , fortunately i havent had to have one car pulled or adjusted , so if you buy right , dont cut corners , know the right places where to look for parts then bargains are out there , these high end cars get written oiff very easy due to dealers rates being sky high and dealer parts prices even higher , worth all the legwork in my book , dont expect everyone to do what i do , but then 4 years of ownership 2 massers would see me come out a little on top and there aren't many owners that can say that

regards loz

 

[Gullible]

you would buy one for all the reasons that i would consider and providing the price is very low and damages were very minimal then maybe its a good option for all the reasons you state.
I would sugest that the KDS wheel aligmenment check would be the only one that a high performance car should be subjected to.(eveything else is basic stuff)
regards
Adam

 

[Andyk]

Loz, you modest thing you...we all value your comments on damaged cars as you are the master especially Maserati. You ahve given me gret advice ove rthe years....

Adam, you should be agraid of Cat cars as long as the repairs are documented fully and been done to the highest standard...Oh, and you manage to get it at a very, very low price.

 

[lozcb]

you would buy one for all the reasons that i would consider and providing the price is very low and damages were very minimal then maybe its a good option for all the reasons you state.
I would sugest that the KDS wheel aligmenment check would be the only one that a high performance car should be subjected to.(eveything else is basic stuff)
regards
Adam

I use Autolign to check my vehicles , they are a Government / Vosa /HPI approved vehicle test centres that will only pass your vehicle if it has been repaired to insurance standards , providing the vehicle passes they remove the last Catergory listing with an added approved vehicle inspected statement


regards loz

 

[Andyk]

Love the Trident on the back seat...Front end demolished but the Trident survived..Bit like Maserati's history really.

 

[Gullible]

I am aware of autoalign.They can make a car "vehicle inspected" on an HPI report and remove the "condition alert" flag but the cat D or C will still be there.
The KDS wheel alignment checks the elevation as well as the geometry for cars that have suspension that varies with ride height controls.
Its all well and good having a car that lines up at basic settings but what about in sports mode?
A KDS is completely different from a normal 4 wheel alignment. It loads the car to the correct ride height with weights and centers the rack during the alignment. A KDS is the only way to do it properly as recommended by Porsche,Mercedes,Bmw,aston martin etc.....
Not "teaching granny how to suck eggs" just trying to enlighten people.

 

[lozcb]

you would buy one for all the reasons that i would consider and providing the price is very low and damages were very minimal then maybe its a good option for all the reasons you state.
I would sugest that the KDS wheel aligmenment check would be the only one that a high performance car should be subjected to.(eveything else is basic stuff)
regards
Adam

For someone who obviously appears quite astute about cars Alex , once again im quite dismayed as to how you got caught out with the spyder , having previously nearly been caight out with a dodgy Porker once again you landed yourself in potential litigation / dealer frustrations once again , is that penny wise and pound foolish re getting independant inspections done pre purchase , im intrigued particuarly as you mention everything else is basic stuff

regards loz

 

[Gullible]

I have learnt from my mistakes and the Porsche was a close shave but i was protected by distance sales and the sale of goods act 1979 so i got back my £3000 deposit.
I do take what people say as genuine and i think i might be a little gullible at times but i do not want to become cynical either.
I am a honest person and i expect people to be more or less honest with me.
Sometimes this works out and sometimes.......You know.
In the process of finding out about the porsche i was educated by some very knowledgable and well meaning people who helped me out and they indicted that any car involved in an shunt should be checked with the KDS system.
This was more important though with cars designed to be manufactured to operate within very small tolerences at great speeds.
I was told that" a few degrees of inner or outer turbulance" could result in devastation on the autobahns.
I think they were saying "don`t accept the porsche it will never be quite right but if you do then get the KDS done after the repaires"
Maybe they were wrong but if i did look to buy a Cat damaged car I would be looking for documented and the KDS if it were a sports car.
Don`t think me stupid Loz...Just a little too trusting on the phone.LOL
adam

 

[lozcb]

Don`t think me stupid Loz...Just a little too trusting on the phone.LOL
adam [Unquote]

Surely life is too short , and there are too many beautifully different exotic cars for us to get through and enjoy to be permanently embroiled in such trials and tribulations, especially when there is a pretty good laid out formatt which can be applied to all makes of car to prevent such things , its one thing having the law on your side , its a time consuming and frustrating thing to get it applied , even when you do eventually get recompensed JMHO

regards loz

 

[safrane]

Sill find it surprising that few people will buy a accident damaged repair, yet so many will by a restored classic??? I would hasten to guess many of them are below standard, but they raise fewer eyebrows.