mjheathcote
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Yes, salary sacrifice so you pay for the lease out of pre-tax income. The employer saves NI too.
So very expensive lease becomes just expensive lease instead!
The excitement and passion is gone
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So very expensive lease becomes just expensive lease instead!
MrRMB
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There's a lot of it going around. On the plus side some great music and '70's cars were way more interesting.
Andyk
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My Farher In Law was head of the vehicle Inspectorate before he retired. He went back to see his colleagues a few weeks ago and while they aren’t suppose to say being a government body they said do not buy electric as there will be other options along and the amount of issue they are having with batteries are off the scale. They are seeing around a 4 year life span off the batteries and cost a fortune to replace.
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davy83
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possibly depends on the make? I was pretty concerned about battery life, even with the 8 year warranty from BMW on the battery. My car now 7 years old appears to have more or less the same battery capacity as when new. I did however look at one before i bought this one where the battery was like 60% of new capacity and cleary was on the way out.
drellis
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The early gen nissan leafs....
Motorsport3
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Absolutely, in my view that's government sponsored profiteering
keith
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I’m afraid you’re fighting a battle you will never win! It’s rather like supporting the Gas light industry after they invented the electric light bulb.
Whatever tax/charges are introduced on EVs will be ten fold on ICE cars, that’s why I switched to the Genesis. It’s an EV but with all the traditional qualities of a luxury car. Just as an example, a pretty poor picture of the cabin of my car - snapped quickly whilst sitting in the car at the Westfield ‘Studio’. I will try and post other pictures, and yes it is real wood and real Nappa leather with hand stitching ‘I believe’ on the dash doors and seats. It really is absolute luxury and the polar opposite of the ghastly Tesla interiors.
See the attached road test of the Electrified G80 from YouTube, their view sums what they are trying to achieve very well.
Meantime, take the situation of my Father in Law. From next August if he turns right out of his driveway, it will immediately cost £12.50 thanks to the extension of the ULEZ! Is it a highly polluting old car that should be taken off the road? No it’s a 2014 Mercedes A Class Diesel!
I’m afraid it’s only a matter of time before Government and local councils come for the newer Petrol/Diesel high performance cars…
Deeply regrettable but true!
Guy
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The elephant in the room is disposal. It is common knowledge that building EVs is not green (Volvo state c 58k miles before EV less CO2 than petrol). Whether an EV battery lasts 4 years or 10, they will need to be replaced and disposed of and the government and manufacturers are not crystal clear on that one.....
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Thay are brilliant cars. I drove my friends around Llandow track a few times and I it was the most fun I have had on that track.
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There are plenty of cars on the road with more than 58k miles on them. Practically all of them will have in the end, so I don’t get that this is a problem.
There are plenty of repurposing and recycling activity going on, with the eventual aim being a circular economy of material reuse as it is today with lead acid batteries.
The batteries from cars will live on when they are no longer capable of working in a high load application to a second life supporting our homes, backing up our data centres, powering solar road signs and street lighting plus many more. With 10,000 cycles possible (plus more with recent anode developments) they will last and last and when eventually they are no good will be remade into new batteries. That is before we get to newer, better chemistries.
An electric car will never have the soul of a petrol one, but for mass transport of people who don’t give a toss about that, I am fully onboard.
Successive governments have legislated for changes to how we go about our lives, from speed limits to seat belts to air bags to crash testing. It’s not the thin end of the wedge, it’s the thick end.
I look forward to there being more tech on mundane cars, when I am an old giffer it will help me keep my independence by taking me to the shops and probably some geriatric SM meet where we will talk about the times we had a dab of oppo on the Stelvio Pass.
There are plenty of repurposing and recycling activity going on, with the eventual aim being a circular economy of material reuse as it is today with lead acid batteries.
The batteries from cars will live on when they are no longer capable of working in a high load application to a second life supporting our homes, backing up our data centres, powering solar road signs and street lighting plus many more. With 10,000 cycles possible (plus more with recent anode developments) they will last and last and when eventually they are no good will be remade into new batteries. That is before we get to newer, better chemistries.
An electric car will never have the soul of a petrol one, but for mass transport of people who don’t give a toss about that, I am fully onboard.
Successive governments have legislated for changes to how we go about our lives, from speed limits to seat belts to air bags to crash testing. It’s not the thin end of the wedge, it’s the thick end.
I look forward to there being more tech on mundane cars, when I am an old giffer it will help me keep my independence by taking me to the shops and probably some geriatric SM meet where we will talk about the times we had a dab of oppo on the Stelvio Pass.
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Phil H
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I'm sure it's just a question of scale and development time. At the lower end manufacturers are already running HP cars, and Rolls-Royce aerospace is well advanced:
Hydrogen
Electrifying the future – We are developing low-emission electric and hybrid systems for transport, homes, defence, businesses and industry
www.rolls-royce.com
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Rolls-Royce successfully tests hydrogen-powered jet engine
Britain's Rolls-Royce said it has successfully run an aircraft engine on hydrogen, a world aviation first that marks a major step towards proving the gas could be key to decarbonising air travel.
www.reuters.com
RodTungsten
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H2 powered jet engines maybe and power generation (see https://www.steamology.co.uk/). For cars, H2 plus fuel cells as EV battery replacement would be the sensible migration path.
Steamology is based in the Boiler House in West Dean (former navy nuke store) - very apt.
Steamology is based in the Boiler House in West Dean (former navy nuke store) - very apt.
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I don’t disagree, but using electricity to crack water (60% efficient), then storing it, transporting it and then having somewhere in the vehicle to store it safely, to me hydrogen is only a solution for high duty cycle vehicles. Add to that the fuel cells needing replacing at least as often as a battery, it doesn’t quite add up.