The excitement and passion is gone

[Oneball]

Hydrogen is smoke and mirrors, slight of hand, cards up the magicians sleeve. Porsche is the one that I think is on the right track with bio-fuels

 

[Zep]

So are the precious metals required for large scale aEV batteries still mines by children in the third world is that just “Daily Mail / Facebook” hype.

There is an issue with making sure you have properly sourced cobalt, if you are have a battery chemistry that uses it. There are a lot of cobalt free Li-ion batteries these days.

The amount of cobalt used has dropped dramatically, even where it is used, to a small percentage of the cathode. Plus 95% of the cobalt is recoverable right now when recycling the batteries.

Also, don’t be fooled into thinking cobalt is only used in batteries, it’s also a catalyst used in the petrol chemical industry, in components of high strength steels used in turbines, jet engines and steel wires in car tyres, as a drying agent in paint and ink and loads more, but you don’t read about that in the papers because it doesn’t support the narrative.

 

[midlifecrisis]

There is an issue with making sure you have properly sourced cobalt, if you are have a battery chemistry that uses it. There are a lot of cobalt free Li-ion batteries these days.

The amount of cobalt used has dropped dramatically, even where it is used, to a small percentage of the cathode. Plus 95% of the cobalt is recoverable right now when recycling the batteries.

Also, don’t be fooled into thinking cobalt is only used in batteries, it’s also a catalyst used in the petrol chemical industry, in components of high strength steels used in turbines, jet engines and steel wires in car tyres, as a drying agent in paint and ink and loads more, but you don’t read about that in the papers because it doesn’t support the narrative.

But it makes a good story for those who like to be wound up. You know the type, those that say things were so much better in the old days, like diphtheria.

 

[GeoffCapes]

My Farher In Law was head of the vehicle Inspectorate before he retired. He went back to see his colleagues a few weeks ago and while they aren’t suppose to say being a government body they said do not buy electric as there will be other options along and the amount of issue they are having with batteries are off the scale. They are seeing around a 4 year life pan off the batteries and cost a fortune to replace.

What until Porsche 918 owners see what the cost of a new battery for them costs!

 

[GeoffCapes]

Roll on hydrogen as a solution; especially for commercials.

Look what VW are working on...

https://hydrogen-central.com/new-hydrogen-car-travels-2000-kilometers-single-tank/

 

[GeoffCapes]

Also on hydrogen not being cost effective. The Inflation Reduction Act in the USA, is a game changer.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/30/the-ira-makes-green-hydrogen-profitable-at-scale-goldman-says.html

 

[midlifecrisis]

After a long campaign of getting the local kids to 'acquire' lead. I'm now ready to go critical with my fission fuelled car with some material from Ivan in the pub.

I don't think range is an issue but hairloss might be...

 

[Italiano]

Flux Capacitor


That's the future

 

[P5Nij]

And you still have dirty clothes...

I looked into an EV as my next lease through Tusker, as mentioned above. £500 a month minimum for a shopping trolley. I can get an half decent petrol car for that.

So the next thought is an E30 for my daily.... classic insurance, zero tax (eventually!) and relive my yoof... probably work out less and I'm renewing existing car stock.

Checks username (appropriate!), agrees, smiles and decides that my next four wheeled purchase will be a snarling old '60s Jag saloon with a ready and willing 3.8 XK engine and a full tank of go juice .

Mrs.P5B has entertained the idea of bagging a Tesla... not going to happen!