The end of petrol and diesel.

[FIFTY]

If the battery is owned rather than leased then once it has dipped under 75% there will be a £5000+ bill for a new one... sounds economical? Not really this is apparently in the name of cleaner air and less pollution won't be done by burning more fossil fuels at power plants on the promise of free fuel (electricity) for motorists guess that won't last very long once more people subscribe.

Hopefully in the next 20 years we will see a few leaps forward with battery and renewable energy technology

 

[Trev Latter]

Chatting to the father in law the other day about him changing his car, which is a 14k mile, 4 year old Yaris hybrid and he mentioned the reason for the change was because he doesn't want to take the hit for new batteries when they're needed. That would suggest he's got his outright, rather than leased. Slightly different I know, what with being a hybrid. The other thing with that car is tyre wear. He got less than 13k miles from the fronts, presumably due to the extra weight of electric motors and batteries.

 

[halbe01]

The Leaf can be had with a leased battery - an option they invented to stop people worrying about battery degradation - very sensibly. These days most people seem to favour direct purchase is it's much cheaper (from forum posts I read). In reality, from all the posts I see on Tesla forums, there is very little degradation over time on electric car batteries - Teslas are showing 5-10 miles range loss over 50k miles. I.e. 230 miles range down to 220. Anecdotally that's showing it's unlikely to be a big problem - but of course there is little data how a battery will do after 150k or 250k miles.

 

[CatmanV2]

The Leaf can be had with a leased battery - an option they invented to stop people worrying about battery degradation - very sensibly. These days most people seem to favour direct purchase is it's much cheaper (from forum posts I read). In reality, from all the posts I see on Tesla forums, there is very little degradation over time on electric car batteries - Teslas are showing 5-10 miles range loss over 50k miles. I.e. 230 miles range down to 220. Anecdotally that's showing it's unlikely to be a big problem - but of course there is little data how a battery will do after 150k or 250k miles.

How many cars these days actually rack up 150k miles without needing significant maintenance? While we all know cars, and we all know Maseratis that have, compared to the average on the road, I suspect it's very small number.

As for 250k miles? Well taxis?


C

 

[D Walker]

Which Ferrari should be bought and locked away until 2039 then ??

 

[dickygrace]

La Ferrari Aperta probably your best investment Dave. It'll make at least £5-10m by then.

 

[D Walker]

La Ferrari Aperta probably your best investment Dave. It'll make at least £5-10m by then.

Gordon Ramsey got the one that was ear marked for me, you know what they sat about friends in high places !!!

 

[Nayf]

It was inevitable. But I'd like to share this http://blog.caranddriver.com/audi-makes-synthetic-gasoline-using-zero-petroleum/
That was announced just before the VW emissions scandal. And despite everyone doing it, guess who copped the biggest fine, removing a chunk of budget for such research.
Of course, the above solution would help save the planet by not needing brand new electric cars with built in obsolescence and allow old cars to survive (with some alterations), so people wouldn't be tied up in expensive finance agreements. It would also put less stress on finite energy resources than electric cars too.

It's also worth noting that BP were working on something similar prior to Deep Water Horizon, a plant operated by Halliburton. Halliburton has links to... well, who cares, let's bow down to group think. Just like we did with diesel consumer cars. We were saving the world with those, weren't we..?

 

[Ianed0]

There are certain things in history that shape and enhance people's lives, it'll be a very sad day if and when car manufacturers stop making conventional combustion engines.

 

[dem maser]

It wont happen, the country is miles away from having the infrastructure

 

[mjheathcote]

How many cars these days actually rack up 150k miles without needing significant maintenance? While we all know cars, and we all know Maseratis that have, compared to the average on the road, I suspect it's very small number.

As for 250k miles? Well taxis?


C

Well my BMW company car has just turned 125k miles and has had nothing apart from routine servicing every 20k, tyres, brake pads and a set of brake discs.

 

[D Walker]

Well my BMW company car has just turned 125k miles and has had nothing apart from routine servicing every 20k, tyres, brake pads and a set of brake discs.

My Passat did 200k and someone else has it now!!!
Same, disks, pads, MAF sensor and couple of other bits in 11 years,,,

 

[mjheathcote]

By the time we hit 2040 I'll be in my early 70's, and had a life of petrol V8's from passing my test at 17.
My son and daughter however will see a massive change in culture though, and I guess even possible to take their driving test in an electric car in 10 years time, what a thought that is?

 

[bigbob]

My kids will be learning to drive soon so will probably go for a manual licence but it won't be long before it is unnecessary and an auto licence will do.

 

[D Walker]

By the time we hit 2040 I'll be in my early 70's, and had a life of petrol V8's from passing my test at 17.
My son and daughter however will see a massive change in culture though, and I guess even possible to take their driving test in an electric car in 10 years time, what a thought that is?

I suspect in 2040 there may not be a driving test, in fact there may not be car ownership, rather you book your trip in an automonous car which picks you and drops you and goes, possibly no more fuel stations, no need for parking lots etc etc, Halfords etc etc

 

[CatmanV2]

I suspect in 2040 there may not be a driving test, in fact there may not be car ownership, rather you book your trip in an automonous car which picks you and drops you and goes, possibly no more fuel stations, no need for parking lots etc etc, Halfords etc etc

I think 2040 may be a stretch but I think it's inevitable that humans will be forbidden from driving

C

 

[keith]

Parked quite appropriately this morning.

Only one winner here

Interestingly that photo shows both of my cars. I also have a Renault Zoë which I use for my day to day journeys. However range, particularly in winter, does remain a limiting factor.