The end of petrol and diesel.

P R

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When you process a barrel of crude oil, the cuts that go to make petrol and diesel will either become redundant, or they will have to crack it or reform it to other useful products. There is an energy / environmental cost in doing this. Obviously less oil will be produced then, so I look forward to electric powered flights etc..
 

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They are clip-on plastic moulded to cover the entire fin. It should be possible to remove them if necessary. Saved me having to have a steady hand.

Blimey that's bespoke, Humbrol enamel paint and my mrs steady hand were called for on the GTS.
 

JonW

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They are clip-on plastic moulded to cover the entire fin. It should be possible to remove them if necessary. Saved me having to have a steady hand.

I want to do this with plastic clip ons but can't find any for the Granturismo... does anyone know how the grill on a Ghibli compares? If it's bigger I can cut to fit...
 

MrMickS

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I want to do this with plastic clip ons but can't find any for the Granturismo... does anyone know how the grill on a Ghibli compares? If it's bigger I can cut to fit...

These have cut outs in them for the forward parking sensors so don't run the whole way down each fin. They've done a really good job moulding them but I suspect that, because of that, they wouldn't really cut down and look good. There are some QP ones on eBay that might be a better prospect. They've got a cut out on the white for the sensor as well though.

Its a shame that they don't make a GT version.
 

Felonious Crud

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Blimey that's bespoke, Humbrol enamel paint and my mrs steady hand were called for on the GTS.

You and me both mate!

Nice government policy that sets a deadline that's at least 6 general elections away. God alone knows what'll be happening by then. Won't we all by 10 feet underwater as the ice caps should have melted. Electricity and water's a bad combo so the policy is doomed to fail.
 

halbe01

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The issue about how to charge a much larger population of electric cars is one which apparently the UK electricity network isn't too worried about. I read a report recently what said that while the demand will be much higher, most of that will be at night, and it'll be much more predictable and indeed controllable than existing demand. For example, if half the houses in the country have electric cars charging up outside them overnight, then it's likely there will be the ability for the electricity network to dial down the charge rates up and down in real-time as other demand peaks and troughs. As most cars won't take all night to charge, they can do so at the times best for the electricity supply.

There was even talk of using the UK electric car network as a great big battery to supply the grid when needed, reducing the need for power stations to over-supply (which they do at the moment), though I think that was more of a concept than a properly thought through idea.
 

FF1078

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I've had a brain storm!
Lets all go to the pub more.
If they automate cars we can go get leathered while they charge up and take us home to sleep it off.
Then in the morning were all good to go.
Simples!
 

montravia

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That's my type of lateral thinking. Brilliant.

The best 'solutions' can generally be found in a pub
 

MrMickS

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What made me laugh was a electric car driver on the radio at lunchtime saying that we'll all benefit from cheap motoring as the fuel costs are tiny. Some people really don't look beyond the end of their nose do they?

The government makes a stack of money from taxing petrol and diesel. They will still need that money when everyone's driving electric cars so motoring won't be any cheaper. If anything they'll find a way to make it more expensive.
 

iainw

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First they banned class A drugs, now planning on banning driving soulful cars. Slowly but surely taking away life's great pleasures
 

Trev Latter

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There was even talk of using the UK electric car network as a great big battery to supply the grid when needed,

What a cracking business idea. The power companies charge us (pun intended) to charge our cars, take the electricity back when they need it, only to charge us again for recharging the cars. You must admit, that'd be a brilliant con.
 

dannywooly

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Seems when im 83 will be living in a Mad Max/Demolition Man sort of world, but at least i can say i lived in an era of driving V8 muscle and loving it :)
 

Wack61

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Seems when im 83 will be living in a Mad Max/Demolition Man sort of world)

I think you're on the drugs iainw is complaining you can't buy anymore :D though I'm not sure how old he is because the only time I think they were legal is in the 19th century

I see a 2040 world of Driving Miss Daisy rather than a Tesla style post Armageddon , small cars where the battery will get you London- Manchester and back
 

ChrisQP09

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Perhaps they mean hybrid cars are to be the future first, in which case, our desire for combustion engines will continue!
 

FIFTY

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The issue about how to charge a much larger population of electric cars is one which apparently the UK electricity network isn't too worried about. I read a report recently what said that while the demand will be much higher, most of that will be at night, and it'll be much more predictable and indeed controllable than existing demand. For example, if half the houses in the country have electric cars charging up outside them overnight, then it's likely there will be the ability for the electricity network to dial down the charge rates up and down in real-time as other demand peaks and troughs. As most cars won't take all night to charge, they can do so at the times best for the electricity supply.

There was even talk of using the UK electric car network as a great big battery to supply the grid when needed, reducing the need for power stations to over-supply (which they do at the moment), though I think that was more of a concept than a properly thought through idea.

Tesla offer an at home battery cell - which is essentally a power cell from one of their cars which has expired (once the batteries reach 30% if their total life they cannot be used in the car anymore) - this battery charges off the grid during off-peak and supplies the house during peak periods flattening out the strain on the grid.

This style battery cell will become extremely common (and thus cheap) because of the number of electric cars on the road with expired cells and this will be the accepted use for them going forward for a long while. So once we all have one of these installed at home then in theory the grid could extract the power when they need it...
 

safrane

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Given the size of London and other city flats...if they fit a battery in them there will be no room for people.

Who owns the battery in electric cars now? I am sure I read in Nissans Leaf brochure that you leased the battery???
 

FIFTY

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Given the size of London and other city flats...if they fit a battery in them there will be no room for people.

Who owns the battery in electric cars now? I am sure I read in Nissans Leaf brochure that you leased the battery???

That's right in most cases the manufacturer retains ownership and removes once it is no use to the car

I asked what happens once the at home batteries have been fully depleted to which he responded that they have hired some very inteligent chemists to work out how to recycle the batteries once depleted... so I guess that is a "watch this space" scenario
 

safrane

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So you are supplied with a new battery but you still lease that?

If you buy used who tells or deals with the change in lease agreements.

This does seem like a real pain and a great way to tax you silly with tax on the lease agreement.
 

CatmanV2

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So you are supplied with a new battery but you still lease that?

If you buy used who tells or deals with the change in lease agreements.

This does seem like a real pain and a great way to tax you silly with tax on the lease agreement.

Well spotted!

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