Sale of ICE cars 9 years left

Lavazza

Member
Messages
1,060
We recently bought a XC90 T8, which is a 'twin engined hybrid. Not had it long, but so far it has been decent.

It only has an electrical range of c23 miles, but that covers all the miles we do domestically.

For my work commute it is a different story as that is 100 miles return; however with both power sources working consecutively I get c45/48 mpg over that journey if I charge at the office. Broadly speaking it achieves similar mpg as my previous diesel.

There is no way I would buy a full electric, as the range is too low even at 300 miles...I would not be happy taking a 40 min break on my way to the second home in Cumbria even if you could find a empty charger.

Still I expect the rebuild of the countries finances and how people will reevaluate their own working/commuting lives will have a far larger impact on pollution that people swapping cars out.
Apologies in advance for the rant...

Cumbria is full of second home owners at the moment. Hope it's not you, but everyone seems to think they're an exception to the rules at the moment...
I'm a pretty broad minded person, but I currently feel trapped in my own locality because of the (substantial) influx of people who I'm desperately trying to avoid.
I don't mean to sound grouchy, but as somebody who chose to live in a rural area (having grown up in the same village for 35 years) away from much of the population, I've had enough of people deciding to descend on the Lake District National Park.
Again, apologies for the rant, this isn't directed at you, but reference to holiday homes at the moment is a flash point for me.
 

safrane

Member
Messages
16,880
Yes, bit of a misplaced rant.

One of us is a Dr the other delivering essential Key Work, so no hiding at home and both exposed since day one to the virus whilst helping others. When we are not working, which has been just 2 weeks since March, we are helping our local farmers... so no, not making your life any more of a prison than you are yourself.
 
Last edited:

Lavazza

Member
Messages
1,060
Yes, bit of a misplaced rant.

One of us is a Dr the other delivering essential Key Work, so no hiding at home and both exposed since day one to the virus whilst helping others. When we are not working, which has been just 2 weeks since March, we are helping our local farmers... so no, not making your life any more of a prison than you are yourself.
Genuinely appreciate hearing your context, as I expect you know, you're in there minority.
I' didn't want to come across as another 'moaning local'. I've also given my best during the current situation in my professional work; similar lack of leave. I've been flat out since January, having seen this coming.
Thanks to you and your other half for your good work.
 

mjheathcote

Centenary Club
Messages
9,038
It's also been noticed that many of the holiday cottages here in Holmfirth are occupied, by those leaving next door to them, when they should empty.
 

Wack61

Member
Messages
8,797
I was in Preston today. I'd be gobsmacked if this lockdown has achieved anything there , I've never seen so many cars on the move
 

CatmanV2

Member
Messages
48,798
I was in Preston today. I'd be gobsmacked if this lockdown has achieved anything there , I've never seen so many cars on the move

It is very difficult to catch COVID19 from someone if you're in different cars ;)

(Yes I take your point though, where were they going, and what were they doing when the got there)

C
 

Wack61

Member
Messages
8,797
Friday in Preston has always been a busy day though I thought all religious venues were closed

This lockdown is nothing like the last one , for weeks the M6 was like a Sunday morning whatever time you were on it , , barely a car to be seen, same goes for the towns and cities
Now there are lots of cars on the road with couples and families in them rather than the norm which is one person
 

RobinL

Member
Messages
456
During Welsh firebreak here in Llandudno it was quiet, very quiet. Not so much as the original lockdown but people were staying indoors.
On Wednesday I had to drive to Wirral to take my old mum (91) to a hospital appointment. (Permitted journey / reason)
I couldn't believe how busy the roads were over the border in England. People were out and about doing their do. Streets seemed to be business as usual.
Suggests that Covid/Lockdown fatigue has taken over to a large extent.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A5010 using Tapatalk
 

safrane

Member
Messages
16,880
Be interested to read how much CO2 etc will be generated to do all of that and when all the emissions will start to fall under today's use of fossil fuel cars.
 

Silvercat

Member
Messages
1,166
:0037:
@Guy brought this article to my attention today. I would suggest that the author and his contributors are well-qualified and should be listened to.

I've also read similar articles on the challenges that the EV industry are facing around the lack of available raw materials. Pity the UKG cant join the dots up...the EV commitment by 2030 is another spectacular example of the gap between political sound bites (meaningless commitments)... vs actual reality. Looks like the only option will be nuclear powered cars!
:0037:
 

Silvercat

Member
Messages
1,166
:0037:
I've also read similar articles on the challenges that the EV industry are facing around the lack of available raw materials. Pity the UKG cant join the dots up...the EV commitment by 2030 is another spectacular example of the gap between political sound bites (meaningless commitments)... vs actual reality. Looks like the only option will be nuclear powered cars!
:0037:
But good news for Cornwall...they may be able to open up some of the old copper mines again and start mining Copper, Cobalt and Lithium ( lots of it down there).
;)
 

Zep

Moderator
Messages
9,285
That article does seem well researched, but it is predicated on the use NMC i.e. rare earth materials. There are abundant earth battery chemistries which have a big potential, which would turn this on its head. Batteries are not only used in high quantities in cars. There is a phenomenal number of batteries that are already used in the telecoms sector and this is going to increase with the roll out of 5G. There are large battery arrays in use in the power network to smooth and support the grid or replace generators as regulations change. The drive to invest in and develop abundant earth battery chemistry is coming from across industry and the government policy in adding impetus to resolve the issues.

A lot of people are saying “it’ll never happen”, but plenty of engineers and scientists are saying “hold my pint”.
 
Messages
6,001
It's all pish isn't it?
I mean I want to save the planet for me and my family but it needs a coherent joined up strategy to get anywhere near that goal
Has any government delivered that (including ww1 & 2)?
Nuclear is hardly 'green' just because it does not pollute the atmosphere as much as coal. check out radioactive half life.
We seem to reactively (as opposed to proactively) stumble along half way houses to achieve not very much, electric cars the latest starburst
As Fraser would say
'We're doomed'
 

Silvercat

Member
Messages
1,166
I doubt any Military vehicle will ever switch to EV because they are too vulnerable to Electromagnetic pulse attacks which will essentially fry your PCBs etc and immobilise your vehicle and its weapon system. So I suspect there is going to still be an ongoing demand for Petrol and Diesel well past 2030 and maybe even past 2050.
 

CatmanV2

Member
Messages
48,798
I doubt any Military vehicle will ever switch to EV because they are too vulnerable to Electromagnetic pulse attacks which will essentially fry your PCBs etc and immobilise your vehicle and its weapon system. So I suspect there is going to still be an ongoing demand for Petrol and Diesel well past 2030 and maybe even past 2050.

Surely no more than the electronics that already exist in vehicles? Genuinely curious here.

C
 
  • Like
Reactions: Zep