Petrol/Diesel new car ban

[outrun]

Why thank you, very nice of you to say so, however I do believe I’m older than you.

Young at heart though pal. The Bobby Bluebell of Lanark.

 

[alfatwo]

Bet you don't remember modding 1970 Jag E types!

Dave

 

[Andyk]

2030 is just a date at the moment. It's a date but a date without a plan....That's what they just said on the news anyway.

 

[MrMickS]

But if everyone comes home from work between 1600 and 1900 won’t they want to plug in their cars then, right at the peak?

If that doesn’t work and they nip out at 2100 to plug in after they have had their tea and put their Jimmy’s on, won’t there just be another surge later, with 10 million cars all wanting to charge overnight at the same time?
What happens if I get up at 1am and want a brew and a piece of toast, bl@@dy kettle won’t work!

I'm currently working for a company making chargers for EVs, and have a deal with Octopus Energy in the UK to provide smart chargers. The chargers are much smarter than your kettle and toaster. You'll plug in, but might only charge at a low rate initially, to get that 20 miles in for the trip to the shop/takeway, but the majority of the charge will be overnight when its cheap.

If you need power for other things, the charger sees the demand and reduces the amount it draws, going back up once your kettle has boiled and the toast made.

With some of the charger/car combinations you can even use the car's battery to drive the home. Say you charge up overnight when the tariff is cheap, do a quick trip to the shop leaving plenty in the battery, the car could then reduce the draw on the grid for the rest of the day and save you a bit of cash.

 

[CatmanV2]

Say you charge up overnight when the tariff is cheap, do a quick trip to the shop leaving plenty in the battery, the car could then reduce the draw on the grid for the rest of the day and save you a bit of cash.

Wouldn't that leave a bit of a problem if, for example, you had to make an emergency trip to a relative? Just curious as to this, really

C

 

[MrMickS]

Wouldn't that leave a bit of a problem if, for example, you had to make an emergency trip to a relative? Just curious as to this, really

C

It depends on whether the car is empty or not when you plug it in. There are always going to be straw man edge cases that can be used to argue against anything.

You're not that much different to coming home with an empty petrol tank and getting a call after midnight and having to go out of your way to get to that 24hr petrol pump. I think that over the next 10 years most of the practicality issues will be solved, in one way or another, and people will develop new habits.

On the new habits front, I can't see me going back to work in an office full time for rest of my working life, so that reduces my emissions and the demands on a car anyway.

 

[CatmanV2]

It depends on whether the car is empty or not when you plug it in. There are always going to be straw man edge cases that can be used to argue against anything.

Oh I'm not really arguing against it, just curious. The tech sounds interesting. I'm not really sure it's that much of an edge case either. If you need your car now (even if it's just to nip out and buy some more tonic) and you can't because the 'tech' has decided you can't charge it right now, that's going to impact public perception? I guess there's a sort of 'minimum' level of charge it'll hit to make sure you're always partially mobile?

You're not that much different to coming home with an empty petrol tank and getting a call after midnight and having to go out of your way to get to that 24hr petrol pump. I think that over the next 10 years most of the practicality issues will be solved, in one way or another, and people will develop new habits.

Well yes, but going to a petrol station may add 20 minutes. How fast is a predicted fast charge?

On the new habits front, I can't see me going back to work in an office full time for rest of my working life, so that reduces my emissions and the demands on a car anyway.

Very true.

C

 

[rivarama]

Has there been any details communicated on what would happen to the cars already in existence. Will they also be phased out?
As someone said earlier, I don’t care about new ICE sale being banned, so long as I can drive my old v8/12 on weekends; will that still be allowed ? (even if additional taxes etc... will make it more expensive than today)

 

[Silvercat]

That **** Boris (and as I've said before I have always been a Tory voter) is trying to bring the ban on the sale of new ICE cars forward to 2030 and hybrids 2035.
It really is nearing the beginning of starting to think about going EV if you plan on buying and keeping a car long term.
Still this plan in the UK is going to make all the difference to world pollution, or answer B: it's a load of b*is and an attempt to pander to the new fashionable bike riding fraternity who would like to drive us back into the stone age!!! If I were cynical I would say this has a lot to do with the climate conference in Glasgow next year.
You maybe able to tell I'm far from happy with this latest news...

Its Boris's Mrs driving this.....shes a conservation activist so I suspect shes pushing this.
By the way what UKG havent said is who is going to pay for the significant and terminal impact on residual values of used diesel and petrol cars, when these new rules come into play? I've got 3 diesels and live in the middle of no where, with not a charging point within 21 miles.....oh yes and a nice oil fired central heating boiler to! Dont think that will run on Hydrogen.

 

[Silvercat]

Yes, there are several hurdles to overcome.
Until you can pull into a charging station, like you do with petrol now, and get a full charge in 5 minutes, then for many people it will still be a bit of a pain.

Evidently Elon Musk has the soln ( long duration batteries) but not rolling it out yet.

 

[Silvercat]

Unigate dairies.... "watch out there is a Humphrey about"...I used to work their stacking crates when I was 15 as a summer job.

 

[CatmanV2]

Unigate dairies.... "watch out there is a Humphreys about"...I used to work their stacking crates when I was 15 as a summer job.

Did a brief stint as an order picker in Bedford.

C

 

[DJS]

No doubt there will be businesses doing conversions from petrol to electric especially for some classic cars . In fact I watched a show the other day where they converted a 356 to electric - now that was an EV I d like to own - cant remember the name of the programme offhand .

 

[hashluck]

Its Boris's Mrs driving this.....shes a conservation activist so I suspect shes pushing this.
By the way what UKG havent said is who is going to pay for the significant and terminal impact on residual values of used diesel and petrol cars, when these new rules come into play? I've got 3 diesels and live in the middle of no where, with not a charging point within 21 miles.....oh yes and a nice oil fired central heating boiler to! Dont think that will run on Hydrogen.

I don't think we can predict the impact on residual values. Plenty of people will still need or want ICE and demand may rise. If not then there surely it is all relative and you can pick up a bargain that suits you? All this ignores punitive taxation which will no doubt be unfairly applied. As for your heating have you considered air source heat pump? There were some generous grants for this, may still be I have not checked.

 

[Guy]

Did a brief stint as an order picker in Bedford.

C

did a very brief stint at the yoghurt factory in Chichester as a 15 year old. That taught me the value of an education! I was not going back there! Mind numbing.

 

[daverichardson]

Analysed paint for British Titan in my youth
That taught me a lesson

 

[Guy]

Analysed paint for British Titan in my youth
That taught me a lesson

I am not sure too many of the current generation have such opportunities!

 

[safrane]

I'm currently working for a company making chargers for EVs, and have a deal with Octopus Energy in the UK to provide smart chargers. The chargers are much smarter than your kettle and toaster. You'll plug in, but might only charge at a low rate initially, to get that 20 miles in for the trip to the shop/takeway, but the majority of the charge will be overnight when its cheap.

If you need power for other things, the charger sees the demand and reduces the amount it draws, going back up once your kettle has boiled and the toast made.

With some of the charger/car combinations you can even use the car's battery to drive the home. Say you charge up overnight when the tariff is cheap, do a quick trip to the shop leaving plenty in the battery, the car could then reduce the draw on the grid for the rest of the day and save you a bit of cash.

How does this Smart stuff work?

We keep being pressed for a smart meter but really don't see the point... If I'm cold I put the heating up, I'm not going to turn it down or off just because I note it is costing more, or sit in the dark to conserve a pound or two.

I assume it is reliant on mobile technology which living in a signal free area won't work and I have no idea how my meters know when a low or high tariff is live unless the clocks have more brains than I give them credit for.

I see smart meters just getting rid of meter readers and saving the Co. a few pounds.

 

[CatmanV2]

How does this Smart stuff work?

We keep being pressed for a smart meter but really don't see the point... If I'm cold I put the heating up, I'm not going to turn it down or off just because I note it is costing more, or sit in the dark to conserve a pound or two.

I assume it is reliant on mobile technology which living in a signal free area won't work and I have no idea how my meters know when a low or high tariff is live unless the clocks have more brains than I give them credit for.

I see smart meters just getting rid of meter readers and saving the Co. a few pounds.

This, as far as I can see. I think the current advertising that smart meters will save you money is disingenuous at best. Changing your behaviour will save you money but.....

Of course, there is now the question about being able to remotely control appliances. Seems a whole different level.

C

 

[safrane]

This, as far as I can see. I think the current advertising that smart meters will save you money is disingenuous at best. Changing your behaviour will save you money but.....

Of course, there is now the question about being able to remotely control appliances. Seems a whole different level.

C

Will the 'app' also sort the clothes and load the washing machine, fill the kettle and put the tea in the pot, get the bread into the toaster???

Its just a way to get people to by more c r a p they don't need... Brevel Toasty maker any one, or maybe a foot spa!