Petrol/Diesel new car ban

[keith]

That **** Boris (and as I've said before I have always been a Tory voter) is trying to bring the ban on the sale of new ICE cars forward to 2030 and hybrids 2035.
It really is nearing the beginning of starting to think about going EV if you plan on buying and keeping a car long term.
Still this plan in the UK is going to make all the difference to world pollution, or answer B: it's a load of b*is and an attempt to pander to the new fashionable bike riding fraternity who would like to drive us back into the stone age!!! If I were cynical I would say this has a lot to do with the climate conference in Glasgow next year.
You maybe able to tell I'm far from happy with this latest news...

 

[Wattie]

That **** Boris (and as I've said before I have always been a Tory voter) is trying to bring the ban on the sale of new ICE cars forward to 2030 and hybrids 2035.
It really is nearing the beginning of starting to think about going EV if you plan on buying and keeping a car long term.
Still this plan in the UK is going to make all the difference to world pollution, or answer B: it's a load of b*is and an attempt to pander to the new fashionable bike riding fraternity who would like to drive us back into the stone age!!! If I were cynical I would say this has a lot to do with the climate conference in Glasgow next year.
You maybe able to tell I'm far from happy with this latest news...

I detect a “clean air” of pissedoffness.

 

[dickygrace]

That **** Boris (and as I've said before I have always been a Tory voter) is trying to bring the ban on the sale of new ICE cars forward to 2030 and hybrids 2035.
It really is nearing the beginning of starting to think about going EV if you plan on buying and keeping a car long term.
Still this plan in the UK is going to make all the difference to world pollution, or answer B: it's a load of b*is and an attempt to pander to the new fashionable bike riding fraternity who would like to drive us back into the stone age!!! If I were cynical I would say this has a lot to do with the climate conference in Glasgow next year.
You maybe able to tell I'm far from happy with this latest news...

Another thread on this topic too:

https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/sale-of-ice-cars-9-years-left.32437/

I wouldn’t worry about it, and if they’re banning petrol cars in 2030, think how many will be sold in December 2029.

 

[DJS]

It will be the end of car ownership as we know it - except for the wealthy few who can afford the new Tesla - the rest will have to sign up to some shared ownership scheme or something similar for those times when you really need a car - which is everyday for me . Its the end of the V8 Interceptor I m afraid

 

[Oneball]

Its the end of the V8 Interceptor I m afraid

 

[schell70]

It's all BS - I am a true hypocrite as I have a Masters in Renewable Energy and own a GT .......BUT

There is no way the UK Grid can handle this even with the dubious plans on a capacity increase - it can barely cope with a cold winters day at the moment! The only option is to build more nuclear powerstations and the Government can't make a decision on that. Also the greenest option.....sort of

We actually considered a Tesla Model 3 as a daily driver but just couldn't justify the cost - so we've stuck with the £300 Mk4 Golf that costs peanuts to run and a 2009 E Class Diesel, also peanuts.

I do see a decline in car ownership though with shared schemes plus Tesla owners subleasing as autonomous UBer's - sounds mad but I reckon it will happen. All very depressing, but we will be the last of the Mad Max generation with the last of the V8's.

What's sad is that many people will simply be priced out of the market and end up running old ICE cars into the ground.

Let's not even get started on embedded energy for EV production, precious metals and longevity of EV's plus recycling.

Time to open an EV recycling business I do believe.

 

[Gazcw]

It's all BS - I am a true hypocrite as I have a Masters in Renewable Energy and own a GT .......BUT

There is no way the UK Grid can handle this even with the dubious plans on a capacity increase - it can barely cope with a cold winters day at the moment! The only option is to build more nuclear powerstations and the Government can't make a decision on that. Also the greenest option.....sort of

We actually considered a Tesla Model 3 as a daily driver but just couldn't justify the cost - so we've stuck with the £300 Mk4 Golf that costs peanuts to run and a 2009 E Class Diesel, also peanuts.

I do see a decline in car ownership though with shared schemes plus Tesla owners subleasing as autonomous UBer's - sounds mad but I reckon it will happen. All very depressing, but we will be the last of the Mad Max generation with the last of the V8's.

What's sad is that many people will simply be priced out of the market and end up running old ICE cars into the ground.

Let's not even get started on embedded energy for EV production, precious metals and longevity of EV's plus recycling.

Time to open an EV recycling business I do believe.

Can you imagine getting in an autonomous and unmanned uber after a Friday night out to find some yoof has dropped his kebab on the floor and sprayed the seats with that nights alcopops.

 

[Angelus]

Having a Tesla, as a daily driver and my V8 for the weekend, I’ve adapted easily. Public charging is free in Scotland and there’s 8 chargers just 500 yards from my house. So I’m £200 a month up, as I’m not paying for diesel ( not that I would have been this year anyway ), but 200 miles home charging would be around £5. Scottish government offered a six year interest free loan to buy an EV, so the finances have stacked up and there has been little or no negative issues.

 

[dickygrace]

Having a Tesla, as a daily driver and my V8 for the weekend, I’ve adapted easily. Public charging is free in Scotland and there’s 8 chargers just 500 yards from my house. So I’m £200 a month up, as I’m not paying for diesel ( not that I would have been this year anyway ), but 200 miles home charging would be around £5. Scottish government offered a six year interest free loan to buy an EV, so the finances have stacked up and there has been little or no negative issues.

That’s great and I’ve no issue with people buying them to ‘save’ money. My issue is the virtue signalling and the perception that EV’s are good for the planet.

 

[DJS]

If you hav nt seen the film Planet of the humans by Michael Moore its worth a look .Two moments stood out for me the first being the unveiling of a Chev electric car - a reporter asks the Chev rep - where does the power come from to charge the car ? Um from the building - so where does the building get its electric from - cue much shuffling and awkwardness - turns out it from the coal powered plant down the road .
Next was a group being given a tour of a solar panel farm about the size of 2 football fields when one of them asks - how many houses can this power - Um Um I think about 6 .Don t get me started on those wind farms - next to useless and high maintenance Ironically the film was to promote the whole green agenda but from what I saw it did the opposite I m surprised it was released if ever there was a good argument for nuclear power this was it - oh and making those batteries for cars is nt exactly environmentally friendly quite the opposite in fact

 

[Phil H]

From the front page of tomorrow's Times newspaper:



Now there's a surprise!

PH

 

[Angelus]

That’s great and I’ve no issue with people buying them to ‘save’ money. My issue is the virtue signalling and the perception that EV’s are good for the planet.

Saving money is just a bonus. I class myself as a petrolhead, but the model 3 is actually quite a nice car to drive, while doing long journeys and commuting into the city ( Edinburgh in my case ). I wouldn’t be taking it out for fun though.

 

[Dan!]

Having sold renewable energy systems for nearly 25 years now, all I can say is that the standard model is this:
Uproar from a noisy uninformed minority -> early adopters enjoy grants and incentives -> masses catch on and start buying -> noisy uninformed minority get upset when there's no grants left and then claim it's not financially viable.

Every single time.

Here's the usual bollox spouted by the noisy uniformed minority:
Thermal solar -> It's not sunny enough here
PV Solar -> The payback is too long
Heat Pumps -> Don't work in the winter
Elec cars -> The infrastructure can't cope, it's a technological step backwards, the range isn't long enough, etc

 

[Phil H]

Having sold renewable energy systems for nearly 25 years now, all I can say is that the standard model is this:
Uproar from a noisy uninformed minority -> early adopters enjoy grants and incentives -> masses catch on and start buying -> noisy uninformed minority get upset when there's no grants left and then claim it's not financially viable.

Every single time.

Here's the usual bollox spouted by the noisy uniformed minority:
Thermal solar -> It's not sunny enough here
PV Solar -> The payback is too long
Heat Pumps -> Don't work in the winter
Elec cars -> The infrastructure can't cope, it's a technological step backwards, the range isn't long enough, etc

So how do you see the infrastructure developing in the next 10 years?

PH

 

[dickygrace]

Having sold renewable energy systems for nearly 25 years now, all I can say is that the standard model is this:
Uproar from a noisy uninformed minority -> early adopters enjoy grants and incentives -> masses catch on and start buying -> noisy uninformed minority get upset when there's no grants left and then claim it's not financially viable.

Every single time.

Here's the usual bollox spouted by the noisy uniformed minority:
Thermal solar -> It's not sunny enough here
PV Solar -> The payback is too long
Heat Pumps -> Don't work in the winter
Elec cars -> The infrastructure can't cope, it's a technological step backwards, the range isn't long enough, etc

And is buying a NEW EV better for the environment than a used ICE.

 

[Contigo]

Don't see the issue at all with this being brought forward, it just means we get to enjoy them for the next 9 years or so and there is a change needed for sure with all the pollution. EV won't be the final answer here, it has to go hydrogen fuel but the main thing for me is that we can still continue to drive classics, I don't care that new V8's, 10's, 12's are being curtailed at all, I just can't face not being able to drive a classic.

 

[daverichardson]

James May on the old (best T Gear) drove a Hydrogen powered car in USA many years back and raved about it.
Why did we go the battery route? Stepping stone? Big businesses? Government?

 

[Zep]

James May on the old (best T Gear) drove a Hydrogen powered car in USA many years back and raved about it.
Why did we go the battery route? Stepping stone? Big businesses? Government?

It was that producing hydrogen used to be massively energy intensive, but recent breakthroughs mean it can now be produced pretty efficiently. Storing it however, remains challenging.

 

[schell70]

Just incase you were wondering on how to charge them all!!!



And it's not even that cold at the moment - see how much we are pulling from Europe - and that's when the wind is blowing

 

[Oneball]

Just incase you were wondering on how to charge them all!!!

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And it's not even that cold at the moment - see how much we are pulling from Europe - and that's when the wind is blowing

There’ll be smart chargers that work with sliding tariffs just like Economy 7. There’s no need to charge a car at times when there’s already high demand. I’m guessing you pulled that graph just. 1600-1900 is peak demand.