New speeding penalties as of today..

[Potenza3200]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4439310/Drivers-fined-TEN-DAYS-pay-doing-51mph-30-zone.html

 

[FF1078]

How can they get away with this?
Surely this is discrimination?
Just because someone earns more than me why should they have to pay a bigger fine?
Does this mean someone on benefits pays the most as I seem to hear a lot about them getting more than us hard workers?

 

[MrMickS]

I don't have a problem with it. If you are far enough over the limit to the maximums to come into play you're probably looking at a ban as well and probably deserve one.

 

[MrMickS]

On a similar vein a new EU law we've signed up to comes into effect in May that will make it easier for you to get fined if caught by speeding cameras in the EU (http://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/what-is-the-eu-cross-border-enforcement-directive/).

 

[conaero]

I think I officially earn £666 per month or £153 per week so am in the clear

I am sure many other dividend takers are in a similar boat...including all the MP's and officials that dreamt this up in the first place

 

[FF1078]

How are they going to find out how much your earn?
Just accept a pay slip?

 

[allandwf]

This was sort of the case anyway if they didn't apply a fixed penalty. You had to declare income, then expenditure, and what was left for the month, and they fined you whatever they liked.

 

[Felonious Crud]

How are they going to find out how much your earn?
Just accept a pay slip?

I imagine that HMRC would be quite happy to share any requested details with their colleagues in another government department. There is no hiding!

 

[iainw]

This is a total **** take. Another reason that society is totally screwed and we are on borrowed time.
I am going to up my sky subscription , leave work and sign up on the dole. I can get the state to pay my way, stop subsidising other people's public services and start having a life.
After 45% tax, crippling insurance premiums, secretarial support and room hire I will probably be left with enough to pay my bills and speeding fines. Better off to not work and buy a car that has a maximum speed of 30mph.

Rant over

 

[Contigo]

More to the point look at the banding! 1mph over the limit and you are done!?!? WTF!!!! At least with the 10% plus 1 or 2 you could suddenly realise you were going a little too fast and have a chance to scrub your speed now people are going to be concentrating so ******* keeping to bang on 30 or other limits for fear of being milked by this cash cow! What a joke country we live in

Everything these days is aimed at screwing Joe Public in some form or other whilst the big corporations get away with murdering us.

Wanker5!

 

[Felonious Crud]

My understanding is that you could always get done for being 1mph over, it's just that ACPO guidelines provided a healthy dose of common sense to try to deter BS, frivolous penalising of drivers. And they still do - it'll be a busy copper who spends his days tracking down the hardened crims who frequently nudge 71mph on their delay commute!

I think I'm more miffed that France takes such a hard line now. A trip to France was always a great opportunity to open the taps and have some fun.

 

[Contigo]

And bye bye goes the fun times we had at Le Mans and on the continent.

British motorists now face £640 fines for speeding in Europe

It is not just at home where speeding drivers are facing tougher sanctions.
British motorists face being stung with fines of up to £640 for speeding in Europe under a controversial change to EU law.
But European drivers caught breaking the limit in the UK will not be hit with the same penalties because of a difference in motoring laws in Britain.
Previously, British motorists could only be fined if they were stopped by police at the roadside or had rented a hire car which had their details registered.
But the new controversial directive gives European countries new powers to use the Driver and Vehicle Licencing Agency's (DVLA's) database of nearly 40 million motorists to track down the driver's details.
The new law, which begins on May 7, covers a string of motoring offences including speeding, failing to stop at a red light, using a mobile phone at the wheel not wearing a seatbelt.
The change means hundreds of thousands of British drivers face being hit by hefty penalties for motoring offences while travelling in the continent this summer.
Britain had been given a two-year exemption from the rules, which were rolled out across the EU in 2015, but had to introduce them this spring. But British police forces cannot use the system to track down foreign drivers who break motoring laws in the UK.
This is because the directive is based on the principle that the registered owner of a vehicle should be held responsible for the fines, as is the case in EU countries including France, Spain and Italy.
But under British law the actual driver of the vehicle is to blame, and this may be someone other than the registered owner.

 

[Contigo]

My understanding is that you could always get done for being 1mph over, it's just that ACPO guidelines provided a healthy dose of common sense to try to deter BS, frivolous penalising of drivers. And they still do - it'll be a busy copper who spends his days tracking down the hardened crims who frequently nudge 71mph on their delay commute!

I think I'm more miffed that France takes such a hard line now. A trip to France was always a great opportunity to open the taps and have some fun.

Yes but that was never documented mate, the fact they are now even making a band for it seems they are going to start enforcing speeding regardless of the severity.

Makes me want to sell any performance cars I have and just buy an out and out track weapon.

 

[iainw]

Last time I was aware it was 60 pounds and 3 points for an SP30 are they serious that it could now be several thousand pounds?!

 

[Felonious Crud]

Yes but that was never documented mate, the fact they are now even making a band for it seems they are going to start enforcing speeding regardless of the severity.

Makes me want to sell any performance cars I have and just buy an out and out track weapon.

As was said earlier, get a car that sounds great even at 30mph. Oh, we have!

 

[Contigo]

As was said earlier, get a car that sounds great even at 30mph. Oh, we have!

I know and it kind of removes the urge to get something even faster for the road.

 

[allandwf]

I would like to see what calibration regime they have in place for accuracy when measuring to 1mph, how often it is calibrated and traceable to what standard.

 

[Needamaser]

In practice no one is going to be prosecuted for 31 in a 30.
I remember a couple of years ago this came up and I spoke to a criminal lawyer and his opinion was no one would be prosecuted as a defence of De minimis would be accepted.
There doesn't seem to be any suggestion that the "leeway" allowed just now is going to be changed simply clarifying penalties that will apply in event of a prosecution.

 

[MrMickS]

The thing on the EU law, from the RAC site, is that you can always claim that you weren't driving. In France the offence is associated with the car, in the UK its with the driver. This different could create a loophole down which they don't want to go. If they issue you, as the keeper, the ticket but you say you weren't driving do they have any powers to get you to reveal who was driving. How much effort would they put into it or would they be happy to just collect from those that cough up and ignore the rest?

What I'm surprised at is, given that the cameras are pretty much all electronic these days, that they don't get people at the ports and don't let them leave until they've paid the fines.

 

[Felonious Crud]

... no one would be prosecuted as a defence of De minimis would be accepted.

That's Latin for "what, you seriously want to prosecute that? **** off", right?