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Wattie

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Not likely, Putain hasn't got the balls, the will of the people or generals or even the ammunition.

Slava Ukraini.

Press on supplying Ukraine, training and weapons.
I’m sure that will be a great relief to all that his munitions land on if the mindless slaughter continues.
 

midlifecrisis

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Well, there's only one person responsible for that. That's why bullies should be challenged.

Following Russia's defeat to Japan in 1905, the Russian army was severely depleted in terms of personnel and materiel. They were still lacking in 1914. This Ukrainian invasion has left them the same way.
Remember, Russia had resorted to barrel bombs in Syria because they had air superiority. They do not have this over Ukraine hence the recent missile attacks.
Despite their limited resources, Russia continues to attack civilian targets not military, similar to the Luftwaffe's mistake of bombing London and not RAF airfields.
What this all shows is a cult of personality similar to Stalin by Putain, the missile attacks are a direct response to the Kerch Bridge incident. Which is clearly false flag by Kadyrov/Prigozhin. The truck was driven from Russia, the amount of explosives required must have originated in Russia and the driver was Russian. They wanted Putain to up the ante and it's clearly worked as that bridge was his pet project.
Any attempt to use chemical or nuclear weapons will draw in NATO if any radiation or chemicals drift over an ally. That's why Putain has stopped short. He cannot possibly win as he has no army left.
 

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Add to that his “largely untrained conscripted” mobilised “civilians” will have no chance of themselves surviving and fighting in a post biological/nuclear theatre.
I know we trained for it and I can tell you it was one of the only things that ever scared me really. After living in a noddy suit for a week I can honestly say it was so debilitating it was unreal.
 

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I still maintain that the day Putin went into Ukraine NATO should have bombed him out of office (yes I know that’s a ill-informed naive view, but it’s how I feel).
This war has been slow and long as the bully gets away with it, a bully has to be punched hard and fast.

The town from which our Ukrainian guests came from, was hit by three of these random missiles, innocent civilian target, it’s a complete disgrace.
 
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Another conservative feck up- just saying.

I’d also point out that they’re already at war and if one isn’t negotiated we might all find bombs dropping in our own back yards.

No thanks, so get around a table.
What’s the way back for Putin? Take it from someone who has a far greater vested interest than anyone living in Britain….

 

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Appeasement will just end up with more trouble down the line, Putin took Crimea in 2014 and here we are eight years later with bodies piling up in Ukraine. If we let Putin take another inch of Ukrainian soil he will come back for more sooner or later. Thankfully my two distant relatives who lived in Lviv managed to get to safety in Poland early on, sadly one of their spouses in the east was caught in a shelling raid soon after.
 

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This’ll probably get me banned.

If you believe this war is as one sided as it’s portrayed you’re probably the sort of person that has had 3-4 vaccines, but still caught Covid at least a couple of times and still felt sh1t, You probably know others in the same boat.

For some reason you still feel the vax saved your life and Incredibly you still feel it’s necessary to q up for the next booster that won’t work either.

Some of u who had 1 or 2 might be beginning to wake up to the Bs.

A minority of us can see thru the Bs that’s everywhere including this war.
 
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There's the most massive irony here. That is so massive, I can't quite get my head around it.
A Russian, possibly a refugee who fled Putin's Russia with her conscription aged male relatives.
Rejoices in the massacre of Ukrainian civilians by that same Russian regime?
I've only had one coffee so far today, because I hardly slept last night, but still.
I can't even begin to get my head around it.
 

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This’ll probably get me banned.

If you believe this war is as one sided as it’s portrayed you’re probably the sort of person that has had 3-4 vaccines, but still caught Covid at least a couple of times and still felt sh1t, You probably know others in the same boat.

For some reason you still feel the vax saved your life and Incredibly you still feel it’s necessary to q up for the next booster that won’t work either.

Some of u who had 1 or 2 might be beginning to wake up to the Bs.

A minority of us can see thru the Bs that’s everywhere including this war.

The war is certainly not as one sided as is portrayed. Most people know that the Russians gave hundreds of billions of funding to Ukraine only for the Ukrainian Government to default on their repayments.
And then cosy up to NATO and the EU.

Wars have been started for less.

Russian tactics however are abhorrent, targeting civilians and their war crimes cannot go unpunished.
 

D Walker

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The war is certainly not as one sided as is portrayed. Most people know that the Russians gave hundreds of billions of funding to Ukraine only for the Ukrainian Government to default on their repayments.
And then cosy up to NATO and the EU.

Wars have been started for less.

Russian tactics however are abhorrent, targeting civilians and their war crimes cannot go unpunished.
Yep. And a load got siphoned off to buy yachts for ex “Ukrainian” politicians now in Russia.
But as you say. The manner off I’m not winning so will indiscriminately target non military installations is an abhorrent anathema.
 
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Wattie. I doubt that merely holding a contrary opinion would get you banned. Nor would I wish it.

We're not talking about Covid in this thread. The mods are all over thread drift of late. So let's not go there.
And not because you're not talking nonsense, because you are. But, that's okay. I suspect we all do that at some point or another.

If you believe Putin will stop at Ukraine, if Ukraine was just to roll over and quit, you'd be mistaken.
Ask the Baltic States. Putin firmly believes that they should never have left / been allowed to leave the Warsaw Pact.
The 'Baltics' are convinced that Russia will invade there, once its regrouped after conquering Ukraine. Why? Because they still have significant Russian populations that chose to stay, despite the animosity of their host nations.
We agree. Which is partly why we've had an Army and RAF presence there, along with other NATO countries.
Putin probably wants to reunite Kaliningrad to Russia. There's only one way into Kaliningrad. Through NATO.

Finland and to a lesser extent Sweden wouldn't have suddenly pleaded for a fast track to NATO membership, if their intelligence services weren't advising their governments to be concerned. Remember, these countries hadn't felt the need to join NATO during the depths of the Cold War. What's changed, d'you think?

Unfortunately Wattie, the historical precedents are relevant and recent enough, to teach us that above all else Putin fears a repeat of his formative years. Scrabbling for scraps of food, in a city ravaged by a Western army. Which is why Putin feels an overwhelming need for a return to the Cold War buffer of Warsaw Pact states sitting between Russia and NATO. Ukraine is his opening move. Belarus would be next. Then all he'd need is the Baltics. Plus Moldova. Salami slicing is how best to achieve it. Push West but only do it incrementally. So, Western political leaders always seek a political compromise, before invoking the NATO Charter of an attack on one is an attack on all.

There is nothing logical in Putin's mindset. Unless you were that young boy in Leningrad in the late 1940's and had seen every part of your country West of the Ural mountains completely destroyed. And you wanted your legacy to be a security blanket of client states in the West. Willing or not.

Like it or not. Our choice is binary. Support Ukraine down to the last Ukrainian now, or be ready to be on the front line again in the very near future.
 

midlifecrisis

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Wattie. I doubt that merely holding a contrary opinion would get you banned. Nor would I wish it.

We're not talking about Covid in this thread. The mods are all over thread drift of late. So let's not go there.
And not because you're not talking nonsense, because you are. But, that's okay. I suspect we all do that at some point or another.

If you believe Putin will stop at Ukraine, if Ukraine was just to roll over and quit, you'd be mistaken.
Ask the Baltic States. Putin firmly believes that they should never have left / been allowed to leave the Warsaw Pact.
The 'Baltics' are convinced that Russia will invade there, once its regrouped after conquering Ukraine. Why? Because they still have significant Russian populations that chose to stay, despite the animosity of their host nations.
We agree. Which is partly why we've had an Army and RAF presence there, along with other NATO countries.
Putin probably wants to reunite Kaliningrad to Russia. There's only one way into Kaliningrad. Through NATO.

Finland and to a lesser extent Sweden wouldn't have suddenly pleaded for a fast track to NATO membership, if their intelligence services weren't advising their governments to be concerned. Remember, these countries hadn't felt the need to join NATO during the depths of the Cold War. What's changed, d'you think?

Unfortunately Wattie, the historical precedents are relevant and recent enough, to teach us that above all else Putin fears a repeat of his formative years. Scrabbling for scraps of food, in a city ravaged by a Western army. Which is why Putin feels an overwhelming need for a return to the Cold War buffer of Warsaw Pact states sitting between Russia and NATO. Ukraine is his opening move. Belarus would be next. Then all he'd need is the Baltics. Plus Moldova. Salami slicing is how best to achieve it. Push West but only do it incrementally. So, Western political leaders always seek a political compromise, before invoking the NATO Charter of an attack on one is an attack on all.

There is nothing logical in Putin's mindset. Unless you were that young boy in Leningrad in the late 1940's and had seen every part of your country West of the Ural mountains completely destroyed. And you wanted your legacy to be a security blanket of client states in the West. Willing or not.

Like it or not. Our choice is binary. Support Ukraine down to the last Ukrainian now, or be ready to be on the front line again in the very near future.
Hear, hear.
 

midlifecrisis

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There was a you tube video of Russian TV of the usual mil bloggers spouting off the usual tripe. One said that after Ukraine, Belarus was next. The host happened to be Belarussian, he then said that Belarus is a sovereign state. It fell on deaf ears. Clearly Putain has his agenda.