Greta Thunberg

[Felonious Crud]

The meat thing doesn’t make sense to me. Grass grows fixes carbon from the air, gets eaten by cow, carbon gets released into air. It’s a cycle. Fossil fuels though are releasing carbon that’s been locked out of the cycle for millions of years.

Production also requires a massive amount of water, another finite resource. A 1/3-pound burger requires 660 gallons of water. Most of this water is for producing beef. 1 pound of beef requires 1,799 gallons of water, which includes irrigation of the grains and grasses in feed, plus water for drinking and processing. 1 slice of bread requires 11 gallons of water.

 

[rockits]

When you start to look at the stats it is quite amazing an intelligent race has continued creating a bigger issue for so long.

It takes 100 calories worth of wheat to produce 30 calories worth of animal food is another I noted. As you say Adam not considering any of the water used in much of this.

The amount of effort and resource needed to produce the inefficient end result is immense and quite staggering.

There is a cattle farmer in the US that has built his own system to trap and use the cows methane to convert to energy. It powers his while farm for a year using only a third and he sells two thirds back to the grid.

The US meat consumption accounts approx 50% of global meat consumption.

 

[Blox]

Production also requires a massive amount of water, another finite resource. A 1/3-pound burger requires 660 gallons of water. Most of this water is for producing beef. 1 pound of beef requires 1,799 gallons of water, which includes irrigation of the grains and grasses in feed, plus water for drinking and processing. 1 slice of bread requires 11 gallons of water.

Where do these stats come from and do they relate to intensive farming in arid places ? I’m looking out the window across rolling Somerset countryside where cows and sheep are grazing whilst it’s pissing down ! I can’t believe the figures quoted apply to the UK which (I am told) is one of the most sustainable and ecologically friendly places in the world to rear meat ?

 

[Felonious Crud]

Where do these stats come from and do they relate to intensive farming in arid places ? I’m looking out the window across rolling Somerset countryside where cows and sheep are grazing whilst it’s pissing down ! I can’t believe the figures quoted apply to the UK which (I am told) is one of the most sustainable and ecologically friendly places in the world to rear meat ?

Nat Geo via the LA Times:

To make a burger, first you need 660 gallons of water ...

California's severe drought has probably made a lot of us more aware of our water footprint, which is the amount of fresh water we use plus the amount used for the goods and services we consume every day.

www.latimes.com

 

[lifes2short]

too many stats, frankly I love a dead cow and nothings ever gonna change that, in fact I hope my last meal is a nice T Bone before I meet my maker at the pearly gates

 

[Felonious Crud]

too many stats, frankly I love a dead cow and nothings ever gonna change that, in fact I hope my last meal is a nice T Bone before I meet my maker at the pearly gates

Sauce?

 

[lifes2short]

Sauce?

peppercorn of course

 

[rockits]

I don't think there is any issue with anyone eating meat per se. It is just the quantity and frequency combined with the number of the people eating it.

When one plus one doesn't equal three then things have to change.

 

[Blox]

Nat Geo via the LA Times:

To make a burger, first you need 660 gallons of water ...

California's severe drought has probably made a lot of us more aware of our water footprint, which is the amount of fresh water we use plus the amount used for the goods and services we consume every day.

www.latimes.com

Ah - as I suspected. This is US specific where they don’t grass graze their livestock but instead intensively rear them and use cattle feed....which takes a lot of water to produce. The BBC also recently applied similar similar ‘models’ in a documentary about meat production, completely overlooking the sustainable and eco-friendly approach that exists in many UK farms. It’s important I think, to understand and differentiate. I for one will continue to enjoy my bacon sarnie and steak without feeling ‘pressure’ or ‘guilt’ by buying from UK sustainable farmers !

 

[Felonious Crud]

Ah - as I suspected. This is US specific where they don’t grass graze their livestock but instead intensively rear them and use cattle feed....which takes a lot of water to produce. The BBC also recently applied similar similar ‘models’ in a documentary about meat production, completely overlooking the sustainable and eco-friendly approach that exists in many UK farms. It’s important I think, to understand and differentiate. I for one will continue to enjoy my bacon sarnie and steak without feeling ‘pressure’ or ‘guilt’ by buying from UK sustainable farmers !

Fully agreed. Buy local and score brownie points in many different ways. Trouble is, a lot of meat ain't local. In quantity it also isn't that good for you, hence my cutting down a bit.

 

[rockits]

Agreed. However, if we work on worse case the benefits will be increased. If we work on the best case the benefits will be substantially reduced.

I'm up for being much more forward thinking and much more aggressive then our historical tickling of things.

It is like spending more than you earn. Outgoings higher than incomings doesn't need a rocket scientist to work out it will cause an issue at some point.

 

[2b1ask1]

Welll I bought home 5 pheasant and a duck from the shoot yesterday; locally produced, the month old poults are bought to the farm and reared in pens on locally produced grain. The farm is on land full and unworkable river bank woodland, mostly it is using set aside land. The cartridges used in the guns are recycled and most of all right up until it was shot each bird was sustaining its environment. The dogs and I got a great walk and the game pie on Boxing Day will have travelled many miles less than the potatoes, sprouts, cranberries and much of the rest of the meal.

the birds are decidedly more free range than any other meat I consume, that is for sure.

 

[CatmanV2]

Production also requires a massive amount of water, another finite resource. A 1/3-pound burger requires 660 gallons of water. Most of this water is for producing beef. 1 pound of beef requires 1,799 gallons of water, which includes irrigation of the grains and grasses in feed, plus water for drinking and processing. 1 slice of bread requires 11 gallons of water.

Actually water is pretty much infite. Pretty good cycles. Clean water OTOH....

C

 

[Felonious Crud]

Actually water is pretty much infite. Pretty good cycles. Clean water OTOH....

C

Yeah, granted.

 

[Felonious Crud]

Welll I bought home 5 pheasant and a duck from the shoot yesterday; locally produced, the month old poults are bought to the farm and reared in pens on locally produced grain. The farm is on land full and unworkable river bank woodland, mostly it is using set aside land. The cartridges used in the guns are recycled and most of all right up until it was shot each bird was sustaining its environment. The dogs and I got a great walk and the game pie on Boxing Day will have travelled many miles less than the potatoes, sprouts, cranberries and much of the rest of the meal.

the birds are decidedly more free range than any other meat I consume, that is for sure.

There'll be good eatin' at Ford Towers this week, matey!

 

[2b1ask1]

Big game pie on Boxing Day is becoming a bit of a tradition; usually feeding between 18 and 26 two meals so a turkey, beef or pork joints are accompanied with a pie and there won’t be any left for the following day that is for sure. Just short of rabbit this year at the moment.

 

[P5Nij]

Blatantly nicked from Pistonheads...

 

[rockits]

Big game pie on Boxing Day is becoming a bit of a tradition; usually feeding between 18 and 26 two meals so a turkey, beef or pork joints are accompanied with a pie and there won’t be any left for the following day that is for sure. Just short of rabbit this year at the moment.

Got loads running around in the garden

 

[alfatwo]

The kids a complete muppet, I wonder where all the moneys coming from?
16 years of age, no chance of a job and travelling first class!

Dave

 

[Felonious Crud]

The kids a complete muppet, I wonder where all the moneys coming from?
16 years of age, no chance of a job and travelling first class!

Dave

It's possible that it's not true. Believe nothing.

Equally, it could be true.