Energy crisis

[CatmanV2]

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That's not even funny it's so close to being the truth. More or Less yesterday would be useful listening for some.

C

 

[Wattie]

Savings tip.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1565318981967306752

Vote for cr4p.
Expect to be crapped on.

Liz?

I wouldn’ date anyone called Liz let alone rely on one for my future welfare!
Wtf are people thinking….. if they still are?
Wake up.
Negotiate a peace in Ukraine.
Or your Fkd.

 

[RodTungsten]

Savings tip.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1565318981967306752

Vote for cr4p.
Expect to be crapped on.

Liz?

I wouldn’ date anyone called Liz let alone rely on one for my future welfare!
Wtf are people thinking….. if they still are?
Wake up.
Negotiate a peace in Ukraine.
Or your Fkd.

Does Johnson know of a different Ohm’s law which new kettles obey?

 

[allandwf]

Does Johnson know of a different Ohm’s law which new kettles obey?

They live in a fantasy world where real world laws don't apply, and that could be said for more than just Ohm's law!

 

[Wack61]

I followed a van with cavity wall insulation listed on its left hand rear door and cavity wall insulation removal on t’other door. ‘Nuff said?

Was it towing a caravan

Do they drive in either end of the street depending which number you've called

One way streets are a problem

 

[safrane]

Hate to think of the fule bill at the farm I'm staying at. Arga running constantly and all the windows open to keep the house cool 24/7?!?

It's fine in the winter, but in summer rather wasteful... obviously why its so pricey per week.

 

[midlifecrisis]

 

[midlifecrisis]

Does Johnson know of a different Ohm’s law which new kettles obey?

V=IR or R=V/I or I=V/R...sorry just seeing if I've still got it...

 

[CatmanV2]

V=IR or R=V/I or I=V/R...sorry just seeing if I've still got it...

Indeed. But this rather ignores the (potential) losses. So while the amount of energy required to raise the temperature of a fixed amount of water from a temperature to another temperature is, indeed, not amenable to Boris alterations, how efficiently your kettle uses that electricity is amenable to change.....
...... but not by very much

C

 

[RodTungsten]

Indeed. But this rather ignores the (potential) losses. So while the amount of energy required to raise the temperature of a fixed amount of water from a temperature to another temperature is, indeed, not amenable to Boris alterations, how efficiently your kettle uses that electricity is amenable to change.....
...... but not by very much

C

Yes - Watts = Volts X Current.

Playing Devil’s advocate in support of BJ an older kettle may boil more slowly and therefore losses to the surroundings over a greater time may reduce efficiency, but as Catman says “it won’t be much.” Say 1 more minute to boil may consume/‘lose’ 25 Watts out of a 2.2kW kettle - estimate 1%. Over a year assuming 2 daily boils at 2min each, this consumes 365x 2.2x2/60 kWh- 27kWh at say a cost of 30p - ~£8 total cost. Even a generous 2% on top of that would add no more than about 16p. Check my back of the envelope??

 

[Sam McGoo]

Yes - Watts = Volts X Current.

Playing Devil’s advocate in support of BJ an older kettle may boil more slowly and therefore losses to the surroundings over a greater time may reduce efficiency, but as Catman says “it won’t be much.” Say 1 more minute to boil may consume/‘lose’ 25 Watts out of a 2.2kW kettle - estimate 1%. Over a year assuming 2 daily boils at 2min each, this consumes 365x 2.2x2/60 kWh- 27kWh at say a cost of 30p - ~£8 total cost. Even a generous 2% on top of that would add no more than about 16p. Check my back of the envelope??

Just 2 boils a day?

 

[CatmanV2]

Yes - Watts = Volts X Current.

Playing Devil’s advocate in support of BJ an older kettle may boil more slowly and therefore losses to the surroundings over a greater time may reduce efficiency, but as Catman says “it won’t be much.” Say 1 more minute to boil may consume/‘lose’ 25 Watts out of a 2.2kW kettle - estimate 1%. Over a year assuming 2 daily boils at 2min each, this consumes 365x 2.2x2/60 kWh- 27kWh at say a cost of 30p - ~£8 total cost. Even a generous 2% on top of that would add no more than about 16p. Check my back of the envelope??

I'm sure your numbers could be more accurate, but it's such a trivial amount, it's clear it's not worth worrying about.

C

 

[Swedish Paul]

I'm sure your numbers could be more accurate, but it's such a trivial amount, it's clear it's not worth worrying about.

C

You’re all using more electricity debating this than the savings. So here’s an idea, shut the internet. But not my favorite sites….

 

[CatmanV2]

You’re all using more electricity debating this than the savings. So here’s an idea, shut the internet. But not my favorite sites….

Oh I'm not debating. I will continue to use that energy that supports my lifestyle. I'm amused at a large amount of BS about how we 'solve' the energy crisis.....in the next 10 minutes.

I, of course, am one of the lucky ones. Yes I will feel the increase in energy prices (and the rest of the cost of living) but I have plenty of fat I can cut from our lifestyle before we have actual pain.

Not denying that there will be many who will very much struggle for a variety of reasons. The point is more around that a new kettle is not going to help.....

C

 

[philw696]

Oh I'm not debating. I will continue to use that energy that supports my lifestyle. I'm amused at a large amount of BS about how we 'solve' the energy crisis.....in the next 10 minutes.

I, of course, am one of the lucky ones. Yes I will feel the increase in energy prices (and the rest of the cost of living) but I have plenty of fat I can cut from our lifestyle before we have actual pain.

Not denying that there will be many who will very much struggle for a variety of reasons. The point is more around that a new kettle is not going to help.....

C

Getting rid of the Bentley certainly helped though Chris

 

[CatmanV2]

Getting rid of the Bentley certainly helped though Chris

That was an uncharacteristically well timed decision!

C

 

[Zep]

The specific heat capacity of water is basically a constant for the purposes of this. The amount of energy needed to boil a kettle in 2 minutes is variable based on the amount of water, the mean temperature and surface area of the heating element. This in turn is governed by what the element is made of and how much of it there is. That’s before you even start on things like scale on the element and the starting temperature of water.

edit: as well as how quickly it turns off when it has boiled.

The level of crassness needed by the Buffon to boil all of this down (geddit) to “buy a new kettle” should boil enough **** to prevent anyone needing a kettle ever again, in my opinion.

 

[D Walker]

I’m wondering if a new kettle may be better than our Quooker tap. But after doing some reading it’s apparently quite energy efficient.
So! No Boris. I won’t thanks.

 

[rockits]

Also Boris forgetting how much energy was used to mine metals or extract oil to make another kettle and ship it halfway round the world. Not sure there is a nett gain.

If the old kettle dies then by all means replacing it with a more efficient kettle makes sense. To throw an old one away that works fine seem less likely to be useful to the planet.

Mmmm......seems like a similar argument nobody really is able to answer with cars

 

[Sam McGoo]

Also Boris forgetting how much energy was used to mine metals or extract oil to make another kettle and ship it halfway round the world. Not sure there is a nett gain.

If the old kettle dies then by all means replacing it with a more efficient kettle makes sense. To throw an old one away that works fine seem less likely to be useful to the planet.

Mmmm......seems like a similar argument nobody really is able to answer with cars

This!

The only thing we should be encouraged/driven to do, is keep things longer, especially cars.
Electric cars in cities, or where air pollution is a problem when breathing, is a great idea. But anywhere else is a waste.

I done my figures a month or so ago. I can drive my 4.7L V8 petrol for 9 years (6kmiles pa) and it'll give off the same CO2 as JUST manufacturing a Polstar!

And purchasing new electrical appliances, to save money, makes little sense in most cases.